Dr. Pete Angerilli Talks Chiropractic, Nervous System Responses, the Thoracic Spine and other Fun Stuff to Kick-Start Your 2019

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00:00:00 Hey everyone, it’s Tom Karadza and hopefully the new years kicking off to a great start on this episode of the your life, your term show. We brought back Dr Pete Angerilli. He does a great job and allows us to kind of banter back with a back and forth with him about the chiropractic profession and just kind of healthcare in general and on this episode, Nick’s on this episode along with myself and Dr Pete and we talk about the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems, which I know might sound a little crazy that we’re talking about this kind of stuff on the your life, your term show, but we’re big believers in overall health and fitness and understanding as much as we possibly can about our own bodies so that we can functional to our optimal capacity. And that’s why we have Dr. Pete. So he talks about some of the latest research that he had.

00:00:42 We questioned him. He quizzes us a little bit, some answers we get, some we totally a stare at him blank-faced at and we get through it also. Uh, I think you’re going to take a lot of good information from this episode and if you’re listening to this and you want some real estate and specific information around a different property types that you can purchase and what the cash flow would be, we have this blueprint that we put together. You can get a copy of the blueprint, which is basically a summary of one of the rockstar investors that we’ve worked with over the years, allowed us to kind of just put his properties and what he’s done with real estate together in a report. Um, and you can get a copy of that report at rockstartinnercircle.com, forward slash blueprint. So that’s rockstarinnercircle.com/blueprint, and you’ll see what he’s been able to accomplish with this property’s cash flow numbers and purchase prices. So you get an idea of what a Canadian is doing right here in the golden horseshoe area with their investing. So if you want a copy of that, you can get that at rockstarinnercircle.com/blueprint. And with that, let’s get on with the show.

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00:02:09 Okay, now we’re live. Um, okay. So before we jump in, I think this might be your third visit here and I just want to articulate that this is a real estate brokerage and somehow a chiropractor has made their way here for the third time. So you better bring the goods. You better bring the goods. This better be a plus game. It’s, I’m ready. Pull the mic up. Nice and close. Your, uh, your, your real estate people are gonna. Love. This has a wet it can do for them. We want them investing and then feeling great physically. I don’t know if anyone listening with consider themselves real estate people, but uh, yeah, they’re thinking about real estate there. The cream of the people listening to this or just basically the greatest people fall. Run aware of that. But listen, talk to you. You pointed out a book I have on my shelf here by the case against sugar Gary Taubes, and he’s going to be on the Joe Rogan show and he’s going to go. And this started because we were talking about chiropractic and how people like to pick on chiropractors. Right? Let me preface it. I want to preface it by saying that, um, how can you have a people in health care or research even in research and scientific research with diametrically opposed views on the same research? They’re looking at it from a different angle. So I, I, and that comes up in chiropractic. It doesn’t just come up and Chiropractic, it comes up in medicine. It comes up certainly in fitness with people telling you one workout. Crossfit’s grade CrossFit’s the worst thing ever. And so I noticed on Twitter yesterday that Gary, I don’t know how to say his last name, tabs or top is. He is going. He’s been invited onto the Joe Rogan podcast.

00:03:45 He was on once a already self. Yeah, always coming back and coming back to debate, discuss with this PhD Steph in. I can’t remember the guy’s name. Who is a PhD researcher and I think I, I don’t, I haven’t read all of it, but I think is the one researcher is saying how basically, you know, the Hark, the high carb, low fat, low protein diet is better and I think Gary is saying it’s the high carb and the sugar that is responsible for so many diseases, right? Talking to you have two very intelligent people to. People have read the literature and they have totally different conclusions based on the same literature. I find that fascinating and you know what, what does it, what is your listener do? What do they do? You really have to just because it isn’t just because these systems are so complex.

00:04:29 Well it’s sure so much going on that you can actually come at it from two completely different contexts and have different views just because the whole discussion is so huge. You absolutely can end and I would even argue there’s no one right way, but I, I like. I think my goal is a healthcare practitioner is to empower people to learn and make the choice that’s right for them because for some people, a certain procedure, diet, workout plan is going to be right for them and it also fits their value system. So for instance, I meet a lot of people today that do not want to be on medications. It’s actually not just a matter of, you know, they’re worried about side effects, but it’s against their values of what they think are healthy. So then I’m trying to empower them. Well, if you don’t want to do that, what are things you can do to avoid the need for them?

00:05:16 That type of idea. So we’re really in the, in the game of empowerment today with people giving them information and letting them make the choice that’s right for them. That’s always evolving too. Um, as I mentioned to you, I will tell you guys a quick story. I was in the sun in July. I started at 7:00 AM, a couple of my shifts in the office and so I have some patients that were sitting there waiting to come in right? So that I’m walking into the front door and they’re falling behind me and in July one of my patients walking behind me goes, hey Dr. Pete, you don’t, you don’t look so good, you’re limping. And I was like, oh gosh, are they write like I’m kind of limping a little, calling you. The chiropractor is not supposed to be limping. And what it was was my.

00:05:52 I mean it’s a couple of things with my hip and my left Achilles had been getting tight over years, right? And I had been running and going to the gym, which is Great. Um, and about a month later I started doing yoga, which I just came from this morning and I’ve noticed like a huge change in my body since I’ve been doing hot yoga, Moksha, or they call it motor yoga now. It’s really awesome. But then I’m telling people about it and they’re like, oh my gosh, I tried that hot yoga and I hated it. The heat, the, this, then, that. I got injured, I didn’t like this. So we got to. There’s gonna be certain choices that are right for certain people at certain times. I guess that’s my point here, um, and a different opinion. So do your research, do your homework and come to your own conclusions.

00:06:33 I know you brought material here which can get into, but uh, yeah, and I just feel it’s interesting to me with chiropractic stuff in general because we’ll get comments on this podcast about different real estate stuff and someone will always slip in a line. Not always, but when we do get some feedback they’ll make just a comment like, I’m surprised you had that chiropractor guy on, you know, and they don’t really say much more, but I know there’s this underlying tone of like they’re not agreeing with something but they don’t want to come. No, no, it’s good. It’s good. And the reason that I think is good is that a, yeah, different things are required. Yoga’s good for a whole bunch of stuff. Crossfit and weight lifting can be good. Like there’s all different things at all different times in your life. It’s all an educational thing and I think that there has been times when, uh, you just, I’ve actually absolutely benefited from an adjustment. Something’s off. I get adjusted and it’s back to together. It doesn’t mean it might stay that way, but for me it’s helping me. Right? So just for me personally in certain situations, I’m a fan and uh, I see the longer term benefits of it and that’s why we keep talking. But I know you’ve been, you. Why do you have these highlighted papers in front of you?

00:07:43 I wanna I wanna share some stuff with you guys, but for I want to step back for a second. So really I don’t want this to be about chiropractic thing, but just general health principles because if we, as we’re your point, you know, we’re always going to be evolving our understanding of how the body works. That’s never going to change 100 years from now. People are going to have theories that they’re trying to work out. So. But what are general things we can look at about health and disease and sort of apply those things in chiropractic or different areas. And one thing I saw a couple of months ago, I saw a video come on in Youtube and as a researcher, I think the guys from McMaster and he made a little info, you know, these, uh, videos where, you know, the videos were like to have sort of a cartoon characters walking around and the title of the video was aging successfully.

00:08:30 And so most of the video was talking about as people get older, I’m part of the reason their health fails is a loss of lean muscle mass that contributes to changes in metabolism and changes in, you know, they, they don’t have the strength to do their activities, they might fall these kinds of things. So the conclusion of this, of this video was we got to start educating people when they’re older to eat more protein to maintain their, their muscle mass. Right? And I kind of looked at that and I don’t know if you guys have any thoughts on that, but as a strategy, do you think that that’s the most effective strategy to, or one of the most effective strategies have people age successfully? Sounds good. But I guess I see where the guy’s coming from or some more protein and it reminded me of 20 years ago, or I don’t know, 20, 30 years ago, the whole osteoporosis saying really came into, you know, I, I don’t know when it was, but you guys remember when we started seeing calcium added to orange juice and milk.

00:09:34 I feel like my whole life has been fortified with everything. Is that. Yeah. But it’s up in 20 years. It’s been a while. Yeah, about 20 years. And that was the thinking was, oh gosh, we get people getting older, they lose bone density. Well, bone is made of calcium and vitamin D stimulates calcium absorption. So we got to get people taking more calcium and Vitamin d two to do this. Right? But that’s really proved to be faulty because what it is that now bone, uh, give you guys a little physiology. Lesson. Bone is made of osteoblasts and osteoclasts. So there’s constantly cells building bone matrix and it was constantly cells breaking down bone matrix. So a bone is not a like a rock, it’s a living thing at a cellular level. There’s constant turnover and actually when they give people the medications that stop that, there’s medications, the osteoporosis drugs that stop osteoblasts from breaking down bone or sorry class and those actually produce overtime unhealthy bone because the bone has the right amount of bone mineral in it, but the bone is weaker because it’s not. Doesn’t have the same shape because it’s not being constantly turned over. So it’s a strategy that really is not that great because you know, we’re interfering and really what drives bone growth

00:10:46 isn’t, isn’t part of this like really it just goes back to, you know, you mentioned that Youtube video and now you know and you have your opinion on it and things like that. Like it’s, it’s pro. One of the problems with the Internet is that, you know, everyone has an opinion and they can put it out there. So that’s one of the great things. One of the problems is that like people watch one youtube video and they think it’s fact and they don’t know what this guy’s research before. Maybe this is his first research ever in this area and he’s way off and like some of these diet books are done by bloggers, have sure, like Mark Sisson’s a blogger, he’s got like, no, you know, and I’m not against Mark Sisson, but like ultimately he’s got. He had no real. He did some research, but he’s got no real education in the area.

00:11:24 It doesn’t mean he’s wrong, but I think people need to take everything with a grain of salt and then they choose who they’re the people that want to listen to our. They’re like, Hey, look whether the guy’s got an education or not, whether I believe in the research she’s done, done or not, I that aligns with what I believe, so I’m going to go down that path. It’s just like the people that are Vegan sources mediators, they choose the studies or the people that are going to research in a certain way to prove their point that they align with those people. The mediators align with other people. You know what I mean? Like that’s, that’s, that’s going to be one of the biggest constants. It’s always going to happen. I don’t know if that’s what. That’s what it seems to me. It’s like there is no right answer like the sugar, the sugar question for circle back all the way to all the way to the beginning.

00:12:04 So the sugar question is like, you know, what context are we taking? So you guys talked about like everyone’s looking at it from a different, their own point of view and kind of morphing the, the, the research their point of view. Yeah. That makes sense. You know, is anyone talking about like maybe it’s an, there’s nothing wrong with actually sugar itself. Maybe what the problem is that sugar got added to like 90 percent of the things that the prepared foods that you buy in the grocery store. Everything from like pasta sauce, which a lot of people don’t think it’s in pasta sauce to bread. There’s added sugar in most breads that you buy to all that stuff. It, I just seems like it’s like everyone is looking for these definitive answers that doesn’t exist. Like go figure out what works for you and then figure it out.

00:12:44 Everybody. I’m not, so you make your own definitive answers and then for some of it, I think the way the world, the world’s changed is that someone just going back to, to Marxists and I mean and a son, but I feel like if you look at us right now is real estate people like mark systems, books and stuff. By the way, just for the record, I’m just thinking like if you use that particular guy, if you don’t know who Mark Sisson is, an older gentleman has a longterm history of running a triathlons and was like a marathon guy and then kind of changed his approach and started doing a little bit more weight stuff and then came up with this whole concept of the primal blueprint is his book and kind of eating like our ancestors ate instead of like, we’re eating kind of in general today.

00:13:27 Um, and I kinda like that the Internet is done some of that stuff because now I get to learn from somebody who doesn’t have the education but has the practical history of being an athlete and has come to these conclusions through his own little study that works for him and then he shares this information. So I guess there’s Kinda two sides to it. Like, yeah, the Internet has this weird thing where someone can get on and make a youtube video and then someone will take nick to your point, someone will listen to it and think, oh my gosh, there’s the fact I should eat more protein and that’s going to help me age successfully. Um, and I disagree with some of that kind of stuff. But on the flip side, when someone like a mark Sisson who has like 30, 40 years of running experience and then tries different foods and it looks at his own body and then shares the results, I find huge value in that.

00:14:11 And if I look at Rockstar as a whole, it’s interesting because some people will look at us for economic updates. We are not trained. Economists, we’re far from it, right? But we have a history of being in real estate, watching interest rates, understanding how interest rates affect the real estate market and then we give are kind of two cents on the economy from that kind of context and uh, so it’s Kinda like a double, a double edge sword, this damn Internet thing because you get like bits of information that are like, Eh, you taking that by itself. It’s not enough, it’s not giving you the proper context, but then it’s giving access to information from people you would normally just never hear about. So there’s this two sides of the world that we’re in right now which is to me like fascinating. And we have to kind of like break through it and you know, take from it what you will and you need to kind of do a lot of your own research to figure that stuff out.

00:15:05 I just think the guys that, that like, you know, some people are going to respond better to [inaudible] because I agree with everything you said and in the past, you know, when people will just look at, they’re like, well where’s the scientific study for this, this and this? And I was like, man, why don’t these people just looking at it like, you know, this person has someone else has already kind of taken a lot of that information and kind of prepare, like put it together for you to understand. But they just wanted their, the very kind of technical maybe the engineer like type people that will just focus on certain sources of information. And I guess in the past I was always the person that I, I was more open to looking at multiple different sources like yourself. And I think now I’ve just come to terms with like you know what?

00:15:44 There’s some people that that’s how they learn. They want the clinical studies and only the clinical studies and they go by that and you know what, if that’s what works for them and they take just their information from that type of learning and draw whatever conclusions worked for them, then I’m like, perfect. You know what I mean? Whereas whereas I think there’s, I think that’s where chiropractic gets attacked a little bit because people are looking for that one clinical study that shows I am this adjustment is doing this to my body and it has these benefits.

00:16:10 Yeah. Well No, I think that’s where some of that. If I cut you off, you were gonna say something else. Sorry. No, no, no. We’ll, we’ll get into a bit of that. But yeah, I mean all you guys are really good points and nick, nick, two years thing, which I think was what I was trying to say. The same thing as that, you know, people. So the positive is yeah, there’s a lot of. And the amount of stuff is exponentially growing so that’s not going away. But people can choose things in accordance with their values. Whereas 50 years ago you had one or two had either go to the doctor and do what they said or do your own traditional remedy. If you guys from Croatia or Italy or whatever,

00:16:43 you know, I kind of remember like remember like we were alive two or 300 years ago and I feel like two or 300 years ago you were appointed the royal medical person, you know, and it’s like you are the medical person in this castle. And then whatever you say on Nick’s condition is obviously true because you are the royal-appointed medical person in this kingdom. And then we went to this era like maybe in the last hundred years where we did get like a scientific kind of training. But through the meet the media was so limited that we all had very difficult time getting access to the information and it was like three channels on tv and stuff like that. And you know. So you kind of got some of it through that. And now we’ve gone to the total other extreme where it’s like we’re back to Kinda like the practitioners are discredited because everyone’s done to searches on the Internet and they’re smarter than the doc. Yeah. And we all know decide, well, I looked into chiropractic myself. I looked into CrossFit myself, I looked into weightlifting and I’ve decided that I can hurt myself or it can do this, and then I know more than the actual Olympic weight lifter himself or herself knows, you know. So we’ve, it’s just k, it seems like it’s complete chaos.

00:17:51 It is. It is. And we have to. So again, it gets back to empowering people to allow them to allow them. That was a while. You know what? I was talking to my brother a couple years ago, we, a friend of mine wrote a book called eat stop eat and it’s basically an intermittent fasting book and he wrote it kind of at the forefront of intermittent fasting I think. I don’t know if he first published it maybe 10 years ago. So really when it was getting going. By the way, a lot of those, a lot of those people, and he’s not a doctor per se, but a lot of the, Oh, you want to say, hold on, let me see. A lot of the marketing is anti antiestablishment. I went to doctors and tried that and it didn’t work and then I found x, y, Z. Right. And that’s why it’s so probably mark Sisson is a similar, I don’t know his story, but you know, he tried the, what he was supposed to do, told by the doctors, didn’t get them the result and then try this, did his own research, found this thing and now wants to share it with you.

00:18:45 Right. But um, but my brother was talking about, you know, he had been doing the intermittent fasting and he said, you know, I’ve been reading stuff and a lot of people think is really bad for you. But he goes, I just can’t argue with how good I feel when I do it. And I just don’t think how good I feel. I just don’t think it’s bad for me. So, which is kind of what you were saying, which is you know, chiropractic. Well I’m not exactly sure of all the science but I feel better and it’s right for me. So I think on

00:19:09 the, on that point, I think people, you’re right, because I think intermittent fasting so trendy right now and people attack it from all different angles because some people will take. I think Nick and I have talked about this like, Hey, oh you’re really doing is restricting calories because you can shorten your window so you’re restricting calories so you’re going to kind of like feel better because you’re eating less or maybe you’re eating healthier within that window. And that’s what. That’s what the studies, the recent studies like within the last couple of years show around intermittent fasting, is that the large majority of people that went to it and manifest. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but it was by that a man you don’t want, I don’t want to miss was it was one of the doctors who saw that conference. I thought it was the guy that specializes in fasting from Toronto.

00:19:47 But I could be wrong, I think it is him. I forget what. There’s someone else there that was talking about, it was like something Lee, Kevin Lee or something. But anyways, a really smart guy, but he might’ve presented on something else. But anyway, and this just shows that multiple, you know, they’ve tracked all these people. It’s just really the vast majority of people are in a caloric deficit when they’re doing intermittent fasting. And that’s why because in that period of windows, unless they’re just stuffing their face, you can’t actually consume the calories in any reasonable way. The amount of calories you’re eating, less calories, you’re feeling better. But where I get baffled in today’s world is people will argue over this point, like I’ll talk to people about intermittent fasting and then someone will say, well really all you’re doing is restricting calories. And someone’s like, well I don’t actually, but you know, it doesn’t matter what I don’t.

00:20:36 That’s fine if that’s all it is. Why is this now like you’re trying to kind of talk down the intermittent fast is you’re trying to in some ways, like if I said that to you so you, you would respond exactly like you did, but I would just be trying to. In my way, I be like, yeah, I’m just trying to provide another angle on what you’re doing is trying to almost educate your, hey look, I saw this. Here’s this additional piece of information for what you’re doing. Maybe it’s useful to you. Maybe it’s not. Because when I do stuff like that’s. I bet that’s just, again, it goes back to his individual people, right? That’s the way I like to know things. I like to take little bits of information from a hundred different sources and then I kind of make it all work for me.

00:21:14 So which I think is when we all have to get to. Right. But yeah, some people don’t like you look at it, you could potentially look at that as me talking down and I’m not talking down and I was just saying that’s actually, that’s actually what it is. Which I found very interesting. I’m like, Oh wow, so it seems like it might be more about the caloric deficit versus the. Actually the actual time-restricted eating, which is interesting to me because then I’m like, well, that changes my perception of it and then what I can potentially do with intermittent fasting or whatever they want, if you want to call it. Right. That, that. That’s all it is. Yeah. But yeah, some people come from a different point of view with, with, with all this stuff is like, like diets and stuff like that are so sensitive.

00:21:51 I never knew because I never talked about this stuff for the last few years. Have I really started talking about dying stuff. I realized, holy smokes, just on this point in intermittent fasting and not with nick, but with other people at the gym will have these kinds of discussions and I’m like, well yeah, like I guess the calorie thing is a big, big deal, but I think for me what’s happening is I was eating too late so it might be restricting my calories and an intermittent fasting, but the benefit is the major benefit for me seems to be that it’s forcing me to stop eating at like 7:00 PM instead of like eating right till 11:00 PM and it’s allowing me to get a better night’s sleep. So yes, the calorie deficit is something, but actually there’s this other angle to the time restricted eating that’s playing a role for me and then you get into this never ends and I’m like, Gosh, it’s a four hour window is a six-hour window to eat breakfast because they.

00:22:44 Are you even really doing intermittent fasting if you eat breakfast and you eat til 7:00 PM? I’m not, I’m not questioning you. I’m just saying having some calories. So I think there’s one and then there’s the argument. So it’s crazy, right, like it’s out of hand, but maybe to move this forward guy to bring up something because this aligns with Ivan went to ask this question. So this aligns with, because I’m interested and you guys wanted to talk to about this in the past, in a past podcast. Here’s my perception, a very ignorant perception. And the reason I say that because I’ve had, I’ve only been to a chiropractor like once years and years ago. I got in a car accident once and I was like, I’m never going back to that particular one. I was, I don’t know, 16, 17. I’m like, I’m not going back. I’m too busy hanging with my friends.

00:23:22 Um, so this is what I’m curious about Kira chiropractors, because to me it’s a bandaid solution, right? So you do an adjustment and things can feel better. You know, I, I don’t know the science behind it, I don’t really know exactly how it works. So everything feels better. Great. But then eventually something goes back and, and you know, and it’s not aligned again. So wouldn’t you be better off or shouldn’t the focus for the person be on fixing the underlying causes of that so they keep doing the chiropractory stuff, right? Chiropractor [inaudible] admitted that I’m clueless, but wouldn’t it be better to fix the underlying causes and where does this come from for myself? So I’ll give you why I’m asking this is because I always had different pains in my knees and shoulders and stuff like that. And I realized over time, like, man, you know what, from all this work, you know what I’m doing, it’s, I don’t actually have injuries, I have muscle tightness and if I focused more on the mobility and took care of myself in that way, all those kinds of minor injuries and aches and pains and tightness I have, it all disappears and I feel like a million bucks.

00:24:29 Right. And with the amount of training I do, it’s hard to kind of stay loose and there’s a lot of focus on it. So I guess I kind of equate that back to the chiropractic sector as well. And I’m like, isn’t that the same thing kind of.

00:24:40 Well that’s it. I’m really glad you asked it and that’s a great point. I’m trying to look at both you guys with my mic. You’re good. You’re good. And you aligned here. But um, so you’re, you’re correct in that. I mean a lot of, in a general sense, a lot of people’s sort of aches and pains begin with a loss of mobility in certain areas, whether it’s a spine or hip or knees and there’s kind of two, um, there, there’s, there’s ways, there’s things that you can do as an individual to address those things preventatively and sort of actively with exercise yoga, like for instance, even me, like I get adjusted once, twice a week, but still from my lifestyle of bending over to adjust people. So many, you know, 5,100 times a day that’s creating problems with my hip that only could be addressed through me stretching it out in yoga.

00:25:29 So everything has its piece. I think we’re with Chiropractic, we’re not trying to say it’s the, I, I’m certainly not trying to say it’s the panacea of everything that you need to do to, to feel great, but it’s very beneficial for targeting areas that, um, especially when they become chronic areas where we’ve lost mobility, which for many of us is the upper back, the upper thoracic spine. Um, sometimes the pelvis and sometimes the upper neck or the upper cervical area said buck is garbage and you find like, like I know for me to like it’s thoracic mobile. Okay. So throughout

00:26:03 it’s like, well you can arch your back. Jack

00:26:06 is the cervical spine a below c seven. I’m sort of pointing for the video from here to here is the, is the thoracic spine or the mid back and then there’s a lower back. So for us with forward head forward posture type of thing, so phone, computer, driving, video games, et cetera. We tend to increase our thoracic flection forward is flection and over time we lose mobility in that area. And because we’re flexing forward for our eyes to be horizontal than our head comes up. And then we create loss of mobility in the upper cervical region, so two key regions and which again, even in my yoga, like everything is going well, but my dope most difficult area to gain mobility is right through here, but that’s my most important area to be adjusted. So the adjustments create mobility and then I can build on that mobility from my yoga because there’s a whole other use as an example of the thoracic spine.

00:27:00 So upper back kind of like for people kind of in between your shoulder blades type thing. Right? So when you do an adjustment. So I’m telling you I’ve lack of mobility there. I try to do my mobile, what, what is actually happening that’s going to give. So it’s more of a temporary fix. It is, it is a, let’s call it this, it’s a stimulus. It’s an input to the tissues of the body. What tissues, joints. Muscles. Okay. What’s the nerves? So what do you do? Mechanical input? Pulling my arm. Take one on each side to tug it. Like you can watch the videos on, you know, not exactly. Not Exactly. But um, so we, we, if we have, again I’m trying, is this is a very visual thing, you can be a spinal joint, there’s two bone surfaces that come together and there’s a synovial joint, so it’s a fluid-filled joint when we do an adjustment and that joint is stuck, it’s not moving.

00:27:50 There may be and probably is in adults, um, some, some degree of scar tissue around the joint. So when we, when we adjust it, it may move this way, move this way and what will happen. And so wanting to move sideways. So for anyone watching you, you’re moving into part which looked good when you moved it sideways. I didn’t know if they were supposed to. I’m showing you like the synovial joints and spine. They’re very small. So we’re talking about millimeter, like various dislocating people. These are really good questions because a lot of times people don’t know ask them. So it’s great for me to be able to try to explain this to you. But so what that does is it starts to create movement. So in the short term, there is a short term improvement in mobility in that area. So if I adjust you and then you go to the gym and do your thoracic mobility, great.

00:28:34 Now if you have scar tissue, and I, if we know there’s a principle specific adaptation to imposed demand. Basically what that means is that the tissues of the body respond to mechanical stimuli. So if I go to the gym and I do bench press, if I do bench press once, what happened? What are the, what are the responses in 24, 48 hours, now you’re in pain. So you’re in pain. So the pain comes from swelling and free medical free radical release from muscular damage. There’s a hormonal response, there’s an inflammatory response initially and later there’s a hormonal response. So it’s as if your body says, Gosh, this guy is gonna damage us. We have to build this area stronger. So if he tries that bench press again, we can handle the course load going through there. So if you work out once there is a very small change to the body structurally and functionally. If you do bench press twice a week for a year, there’s way more change because you’re repeating the stem industry, so same principle. Exactly. If we can, so if we take somebody, a new person in their 45, their spine, there’s a word degeneration, I’m getting degeneration means you’re getting bone and soft tissue deterioration or change due to usually loss of mobility or ms dot [inaudible].

00:29:49 No different than anything else. Exactly. Anything that your practice after you do the results go up as you kind of.

00:29:56 You don’t need and with working out, you kind of have to keep working out. You can’t do CrossFit. You can’t go down to doing CrossFit once every two weeks. Right? You can’t because you lose your start to lose. Try to do that sometimes. Well, you know, it’s not ideal, but no chiropractic. You know, you don’t need to see people as often as their body starts to function better and change. Now there’s a whole other side effect to this, which is that the main thing that we see we stimulate when we adjust the spine is the nerve system, so there’s nerve receptors in muscles, joints, ligaments that when we put a force in, send messages into the spinal cord, into the brain, which change brain function and what controls our body

00:30:39 brain, brain, brain. So, so I’m now asked something and then I want to, I want to get into what do you want to add? Anything that. But you have a question off after that. I don’t know if that makes sense. I started to make it all make sense to me. I see an athletic therapist once a week. Right. And the reason I see her once a week, I’m not injured. Yes. What? What she does for me is she’ll inflict more pain on me. So my wife used to think because her name is Andy and he used to go see any once a week and when I started telling my wife that I kind of went for like therapist and he once a week years thought I was getting massages. She’s like, so you’re going to get like a massage once a week. Who is this? Any person. Right. And then she actually, something happened to her and she went to see her too, and she realized how much pain and he inflicts.

00:31:21 Oh, you liked that? Yeah. She doesn’t dress up in the leather mask. No, no, but, but, uh, you know, with the soft tissue release is quite a, you know, it’s pretty intense. You can make you cry. Yeah. Yeah. Because you’ve seen her too. Um, so I’m not injured, but just for what I do at the gym, I know preventatively it’s been beneficial for me because I don’t do, I do a lot, a lot more ability than I used to, but I don’t do as much as I probably should and I’m pretty hard on my body, so it helps me do what I’m able to do because she’ll do things that I’m not able to do myself. That’s similar to what you’re saying about the chiropractor. Yes. Chiropractory. And there’s some chiropractic care for. Yeah, there’s some chiropractics that Ca. Now I’m saying there’s some chiropractor factors

00:32:08 that are the same. They may do predominantly like manual, like fascial release type of things. Right. But really what ca chiropractic wasn’t really. Didn’t start out that way. Chiropractics started out with we’re doing something to the spine and it’s changing the person’s overall health. So then I’m somewhat, I heard someone say research, if you look at the word research, it’s re re means to revisit. So. And they said, you know, we, the ideal thing with research is something that’s happening out there in the world. The research can help us describe and understand how it works. So 100 years ago, chiropractors, we’re pushing out people’s spines and their digestion was improving and they didn’t get sick as often. Now you can say it didn’t happen, but the reality is I have patients every week.

00:32:50 Tell me, Gosh, toxin. So let’s get into that based on the premise. Okay, this first, this is the study is from what I’m getting from 100 years ago. Nick, come on. He came prepared. Listen, I moved. I moved down here. We got a neuroscience. No, not tom and I, we take two hours for these neuroscience and behavioral. This is not correct.

00:33:09 French study neuroscience and biobehavioral reviews. Twenty 18. Okay, so it’s pretty old. Uh, this is. Why am I telling you this? So this is a couple of quotes. In spite of the great strides in the treatment of heart disease and diabetes globally, United States, we’ve made little progress in the prevention of these disorders. So what heart disease, diabetes, blah, blah, blah. I’m careful. Elucidation of the common pathways for developing metabolic risk, heart disease, diabetes, obesity are three. Most common epidemics share a common but rarely treated mechanism. Sustained autonomic imbalance. You rewrite that down, nick, sustained autonomic imbalance, sympathetic, overactivity, and parasympathetic under activity. Okay, so we have a nervous system. The nervous system has two divisions as sympathetic division and the parasympathetic division. So have you heard of this or this new desk, but describe the difference between. I always mess up the sympathetic nervous system is like when you’re going to work out your sympathetic nervous system kicks on, increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, shunting blood from our digestive organs into our arms.

00:34:10 That’s why it’s not good to eat a big meal before workout. Changing blood flow patterns in the brain because when you’re going to do a 500 pound squat, it’s not like you’re going to sit there and write a poem or do some critical critical thinking. It’s just, it’s just know fighters. Lounge your chest and go do a stew it. Yeah. Be An animal and do it. Right. But sometimes I stop. Oh yeah. That’s great. Whatever you. Well you did you get a nice couple of shots of espresso. How many do you have at a time when you have your espresso?

00:34:38 Oh, it’s already pre-war was two shots. No shot in the morning. You got to go with someone, but it’s two individual shots. Oh, you don’t think about that because one shot and then the next shot. I had a feeling that you had a pref. You came in last night and they’re like, you mentioned the podcast and the first thing they mentioned afterwards, they’re like, yeah, so you know, you talk about the acronym. All right. I’m like, no, no, no, no. That’s not me. Go Talk to Tom About your crib. Now I’m a comedian. I. It’s really think about it because we’re moving into a new office. It’ll be later this year. I’ve been thinking a lot about getting an espresso machine in my new office. It’s a month. We can just sit there and have espressos, but it would, uh, yeah. I don’t know if that’s over the top. We’ll see. No, I think you do it. I don’t usually do espressos at like three or 4:00 PM. See, that’s what I do. I don’t do it in the morning. We’re all different I guess, but. Okay. So anyway, so what’s the point here? So it’s sympathetic nervous system gets us ready for workouts, but it’s the system that

00:35:31 goes on when we’re. When we perceive stress. So deadlines, traffic, housing, gonna, whatever, you know the sympathetic system kicks on. So were you about to say the housing? I don’t have any. Neither. We’ve gone out to real estate predictions. We’re going to have to edit. We can edit. So that boasts most. So what a lot of like I could say scientists agree. And this started with a guy named Hans [inaudible]. Did you have you guys heard of him? He was a researcher in Montreal, I dunno, 60 seventies, and he’s the first guy that did these experiments on rats and stress. So the idea is if we’re too much in a sympathetic state, too often, our body is not in our rest, relax. He’ll state. So we have basically we’re burning this fire all the time and over over time it leads to problems with the way our body functions, diabetes, autoimmune disorders, um, inflammatory disorders that most of the things that we’re not supposed to guess what it leads to diabetes.

00:36:38 Well, one of the. Then again, one of these be coming from what I’m eating. Well, that’s what the paper is saying that we were trying to change what people eat and we’re trying to change them to x with the exercise or give them Metformin, the diabetes drug, but it’s not addressing this factor. So in other words, if I’m chronically under stress from, you know, thinking or from what I’m going to get to my spine, that can be changed. It can be driving my adrenals to release cortisol. And you guys have done podcast with natural pass on that right? Cortisol thing, right, so cortisol changes the way insulin works, changes the way glucose is accepted into the cells of the body, so these hormonal changes, because again, sympathetic system is supposed to kick on and shut off. Most of the day we’re supposed to be in parasympathetic, chill out, you know, rest, relax mode, so if that’s sympathetic mode is driving hormonal responses, which is changing blood chemistry that can be producing diabetes, the sympathetic nervous system drives inflammation in the body so we can get into inflammatory things, pain, stiffness, chronic inflammation, rheumatoid arthritis, those types of problems.

00:37:40 So it’s so their point in this paper is we gotta stop looking at so much at giving drugs and what do you eat and how you exercise and look at what can we do to change and improve sympathetic dominance and shift people into that proper balance of Paris pair of.

00:37:56 That’s a tough. That’s a tough paper for me to swallow because like if we’re, if we’re looking. I agree with the points. Yeah. But like with, this isn’t a chiropractor, theory can go. They’re taking. That’s just stress. They’ve been talking about that for a long time, like you need to kind of realize like, like I agree with the points. You can’t be too hot. Wound wound up, you can’t be always on the go. I mean I talked to um, a, a kind of, I’m not a neuroscientist that when I was talking to her and we were talking about bulletproof coffee, there’s a couple of years ago when you were drinking bulletproof coffee la and she’s like, Hey, look, when she from California and where a lot of them are there and she said in, in our world the conversations I’m having with my colleagues about this bulletproof coffee thing, because everyone’s like, yeah, it gets me kind of at a high level,

00:38:36 you know, they were talking about if, if similar to this point is like, what’s the effect of like when a light bulb burns brighter for a period of time, you know, does it burn out faster? Right. And they’re like, is the brain the same way when you’re, when you’re doing stuff like that to kind of operate with it. So it doesn’t seem like that’s, that’s new. And I mean, so much of it is diet and exercise. I’m not trying to discredit what you’re saying, but I mean what can you do about that? What can you do about sympathetic dominance in anybody yet? But see we can’t draw like, like, like 100 percent conclusions on this because we’re not. Everyone’s going to be so independent to the person. Right? Because if someone’s, if someone sits on their ass all day and does nothing and doesn’t know exercise, then you know what?

00:39:17 He was going to help with them. They need some flippant exercise. Right? If someone’s over the top, then they can be looking at other stuff. No question. But how about this? They’re sitting on their cultural data and exercising, but they’re stressing about something. So there can be. They can be sympathetic. I’m not saying it’s just mean there’s so many variables to go with your point. Yeah, that’s right. So that’s why it’s hard to have these organizations. Well, nick, you got to just, I don’t know. Anyway, I mean for me it’s, it’s, it’s just critical to how we’re looking at health because nervous system being the driver of things like hormonal system and that’s not my opinion, that’s just basic biology. So, you know, to me that’s an untapped area because many of us, not everybody follows their exercise or diet plan, but we know about that, but we don’t know so much about this.

00:40:00 We know the concept stress isn’t good for you. What can we do about it? So, um, causes of stress can be what? Mental. So things we think. So can we change our thinking? Can we do that? Like you’re sure into that, I’m presuming, right? Like do you think differently now than you thought 10 years ago? Probably a better way. So you can change what you think we can make. We can do meditation. Does meditation have an impact on sympathetic with us tickets to the end? You know what the reason I’m thinking is that particular paper just baffled me when it said diabetes because I’m like, I can be sitting on my coach and a completely relaxed state. Not stressed about everything, but if I drink a lot of pop everyday, well it’s not diabetes go up pretty good. I’m not suggesting it’s an oversimplification. I’m not suggesting it’s the.

00:40:41 The none of this stuff is the one to use that word. That’s what I’m asking you where you’re trying to share something that the listeners may not have thought of because chances are your listeners have thought, I’ve heard you know, but. And dietarily. Right? How, how often does dietary stuff change? Because today we’re talking about the Paleo diet or the low sugar diet and 20 years ago we were talking about the high carb diet. Five years from now, five years from now, what’s it going to be? Right. So I’m curious. I don’t want to talk about that stuff because I don’t really know. It’s been a change and then someone’s going to say, now we’re going to go back. I’m trying to say here’s another place you can look at their diet stuff actually doesn’t change very often. Names and the names of them change, but there. Yeah. Good one. I just saw him go change. They recycled. My point here is a good new one, I just saw it on TV. You were blue glasses, all your food. It’s called something like the blue

00:41:34 dieters. That’s a new one and you know why? Because when you look at a food and they had a piece of chocolate cake and they said if you look at it through the blue glasses, it doesn’t look as appealing. And then they showed a steak that was perfectly cooked, but when you looked at it with a blue sunglasses on, it looked like less well cooked, so it wasn’t like as, I guess attractive to you. And I thought, oh my God, this is a new one. I haven’t. That’s a new one. Yeah, so there are the new ones. You’re right, I remember this. Well, yeah, that’s a. But you’re born with your points.

00:42:03 Here’s where I’m going. So we. We have some data that shows that a chiropractic as well. We have two pieces of data. We have some data that shows the spinal dysfunctions, irritate the sympathetic nervous system and can add to the sympathetic

00:42:19 like any injury that your body, your body has. Let’s talk

00:42:22 boat, more chronic things. So let’s get, let’s talk about a guy, maybe it’s you or anybody that has like other neck injuries.

00:42:29 All I had, I had it so I had some stomach issues to have a couple of years ago and my cortisol levels were a little bit out of whack, just a little bit low throughout the day. Um, and the belief was that part of that kind of chronic inflammation in the gut a little bit was causing some cortisol issues. So we tried to fix the gut to fix the cortisol issue. So exactly to your work. Um, now I changed the number of things. So, which is challenging. Yeah. So I did do a lot of it, did work. I definitely feel better. I’m a lot of it was diet related though, right? So, but, but I mean it’s a but yeah. Yeah, it will work. So I told you a few things and yeah.

00:43:03 Yeah. And on the, on that point, and I, I cannot, I’m going to preface this by saying as a chiropractor I do not treat or um, what’s the word? Advertise myself as

00:43:13 reading.

00:43:16 But a lot of patients, I would say about a third of my patients come in and we do their health survey. They either have acid reflux or bloating or constipation or I’ve been diagnosed with ibs or something. We start adjusting them just for their, whatever, their back pain, their blah blah blah. And Hey doc, my ibs is better, or my, I don’t get acid reflux anymore. So what, how could that happen? Well, the only way that that’s possibly happening is when we’re making adjustments. It’s changing brain processing, changing nervous system function, and then allowing for these changes. Not that it’s a guarantee. But here’s what I want to get at is, um, so we have, you know, injuries can trip the sympathetic nervous system. Stress can ship something in her system, but spinal, uh, problems that irritations can do that. So there’s a study which I don’t have here, but I’ve cited a bunch of times where they looked at people with neck and upper back, tightness and tenderness. So in other words, if you’re like, oh my next a bit tight. And they had an examiner go in and push on the spine. And the patient would say, yeah, it’s either mildly or moderately or severely like tender to touch and what they found for the for the moderate and the severe. When they did a blood scanning of the brain, they had diminished blood flow to the frontal and I believe temporal lobes by 30 to 45 percent, so cerebral hypoprofusion decreased blood flow to the brain coming from the spine. Because the spine

00:44:32 is irritating, sympathetic, nervous system. The sympathetic nerves are causing constriction of blood flow to certain areas of the brain and then you’re getting diminished blood flow to the brain. Vital Connection, I’ve always thought about it. That’s huge. That’s huge. I always thought about is if you have a tight, tight muscle, right, that’s going to be bad because the blood can’t flow into the tight muscle rights that are not going to ask me. What makes a muscle tight? Muscle doesn’t muscle do anything independently of. No, it can’t. The only thing that makes a muscle get tight is when a nerve signal is making that muscle contract. Muscles don’t do anything independently. They need a nerve signal. Electrical nursing signals to make them contract, so basically right now are firing because I’m in pain everywhere. Okay, so you’re getting that. And actually some of the. Some chiropractors were saying, you know, we got it.

00:45:22 Instead of calling it like a back problem per sale, I got to type back. You actually have a brain problem because that back doesn’t do anything on its own. The brain is telling those muscles to be tight. Sometimes it’s telling those muscles to be tight because it’s not really a. It thinks it’s doing the right thing and again, when we make an adjustment, we provide an input to the central nervous system and your brain goes, oh wait, we can change the way we’re doing. You know that change in input can change the out. So to Nick’s point earlier, if you do that constant stimulus there, your body over you, you think the mobility in the thoracic spine can be altered and stretch as well as getting that even if you’re not. Because I have pre and post x rays of patients who’ve done nothing but get adjusted and we were going to, and I’ll talk about their neck or the cervical alignment of their neck curve improves the flexibility stuff as well.

00:46:11 Absolutely. But again, taking people where they’re at. Some people don’t want. You don’t have the time, whatever. I think they should, but some people have an acute thing where they just need to come in and get some relief. Absolutely. Absolutely. I agree. I agree with you as well. I’ll slightly like digging into it a little bit, but ultimately it all makes sense. Like it’s no different than. You know. I used to sometimes a thought that I hurt my back, my back. We get really tight, but it had nothing to do with my lower back. It was actually my hamstring that was causing so the body. So I’ve learned just like my. When I get shoulder pain now often it’s my pet because my pet gets too tight and it’s pulling. It’s pulling tight, pulls my shoulder not so solid portfolio in the joint. And then when I loosened up my Pec property, my shoulder works properly without the pain.

00:46:53 The impingement goes away. Right, right. So like I’ve learned it, loosen up your pack from you do a few different things. I just dig into a pretty good with a lacrosse ball or some other things. So what is, what does that actually doing? Let’s think about that. So. Okay, well let’s not get off. Let’s look it off track. We can come back to that because what our comeback to you, what I’ll come and see is that because the body. So it, it’s so connected with different, different things. It’s very easy to believe that if you have some sort of spinal issues that were, you know, an adjustment helps that it would kind of make other things easier because the body can then use it. It’s energy, it’s kind of problem solving mechanisms that is, it has to focus on those other things or other stuff.

00:47:33 So yeah, no, it makes like, it makes sense. I wouldn’t go so far like I would, you know, and you, you said that. I mean it would be, you could never make the claim that if the health claims are tough digestive system and stuff like that, but yeah, like if you have a chronic thing here that it gets fixed, then the body can try to fix something else and it might be able to fix it before it was using. It’s all this energy on the back so you have to make sense. And again, depending on the chronicity. So if you have. We have kits, know Lacrosse Ball, the crossway risk lacrosse. Okay. So people say, well I do and I’m doing foam rolling and stuff like this. Right. But remember, everything, every change you make, it’s, it’s always back to neurological. So when you put that Lacrosse ball on there, it stimulates Macanta receptors, nerve endings.

00:48:11 Those nerve endings go to the spinal cord and the spinal cord has a reflex where the output is back to the motor neurons that make the Pec tight and they can inhibit it and turn it off. So everything that we do mechanically to the body, whether it’s massage or chiropractic or physio, it’s through nerve pathways, through nerves going into the spinal cord, into the brain output come from the brain or the spinal cord. I just point that out because some people we think are moving. Uh, I’m, I’m, uh, adjusting a joint or I’m stretching a muscle. But for anything to actually change, we have to neurology that allows for that because of that input does not create the response then that muscle’s going steer. Right. I think chiropractic has a messaging problem, like a messaging problem. Yeah. Well most people think about your industry and bones.

00:48:58 Yeah. Like, yeah. And they don’t even call it adjustments. It’d be like a Blackrock or something like that. Right? You guys, you’re obviously good at marketing. You guys need better marketing. Okay. Why we chat. Thank you for your help. No, no, no, no problem. We’re getting the message out there, but it says, this is a really cool paper. I want to share it. You guys. So this is 2017 evidenced complimentary and alternative medicine. So what they did in this study was they looked at how they took people and they adjusted them were like a chiropractor, this is now, this wasn’t done. There was one chiropractor in the study, the rest are medical people, and it was actually done in Japan. So they looked at brain function and a few other things after a person had an adjustment. Okay. So what they found was that after a chiropractic adjustment, the patients had relaxation of cervical muscle tension, decrease in salivary amylase level due to suppression of sympathetic nerve activity and what would that role on our house.

00:49:55 So let’s stop right there. So the sympathetic nervous system, the system that I’m seeing from is being pointed to as being overactive and leading to disease and illness is being suppressed by a chiropractic adjustment. Is that valuable thing in catch it sounding? Yeah. If there was. Let me ask you this. If there was, if I had a drug that I said, I give you this drug and it’s going to decrease your sympathetic nerve activity, do you think that it should be. What do you think’s happening? It’s just the nervous system. So here’s the, let me read the conclusion, I’ll tell you.

00:50:27 So brain processing after spinal, they call it spinal manipulative therapy, brain processing, after spinal manipulation therapy may lead to physiological relaxation, relaxation via decrease in sympathetic nerve activity, so movement into the spine creates a neurological input into the central nervous system and into the brain which diminishes sympathetic irritation and sympathetic output. So it’s taking us from the sympathetic. That’s why people often will feel like kind relaxed or better after an adjustment.

00:51:00 So what does that like a load of crap because it will be one, and I’m not saying that it’s wrong, but the wording is lift, so open to interpretation. So it’s like this may happen, which also means this may not. Doctors are always changing. So. So it was almost meaningless. So it could like, I could actually be at 100 percent accurate and true, but I’m just saying because of the way it’s worded, it’s like when we try, when we speak to, when you speak to a lawyer, write the letter. It’s like, well, you know, it depends. Like they’re never going to give you a solid answer on anything. Right. So. So it’s the same. It’s the same type of thing. It’s Kinda like when you say his real estate. Good. Yeah. You know, it’s Kinda like. Well yeah, it depends who you talk to you about. There’s like a million other variables that may be good depending if you get a, you know, if you buy the wrong. I see. I see the point that they’re getting at here. Here’s my point and that’s what I’m getting at is okay. You don’t give me no hard Tony, I appreciate you sticking with us. I’m sticking with it. Know anything about chiropractor. This is actually about the study, like the wording of the study, right? They kind of like a. It was like a catchall

00:52:00 say here. Is that. Okay. What are the benefits of getting adjusted? Well, I moved better. I feel better. Here’s one of the ways that an adjustment may change my nervous system, which is a health-promoting thing.

00:52:11 It’s actually somebody I’ve personally, and this is why I think everything is so individual. You’ve adjusted me sometimes and I’ve come back to the office here and I’ve just felt amazing, right. You know, and I’m like, I don’t know what just happened with that particular adjustment, but I literally feel freaking amazing. Right. And it’s not because your back feels better, it’s because your brain function is different. Yeah. Like just the mechanism. Yeah. And it’s a, yeah, it’s a unique thing and uh, you know, some days you just feel better than other days, but there’s been a couple times where you’ve made an adjustment and it’s literally been like, wow, that I just feel really good right now. And I know that’s how someone listening to this. I know how that could sound like just a bunch of bullshit just listening to that. But it’s been, it should have been my personal experience and I’ve had that same experience too and many people, maybe people listening, I’ve had that experience and they will attest to that. I’m wondering if in those situations, just for me personally, is that my, than maybe parasympathetic state that’s maybe taking effect change and there are more. I didn’t

00:53:13 bring a lot of brain function studies, but there are more but a change in brain, brain perception, brain, brain function, blood flow to the brain. That’s basically how a person feels. Right? So if you’re, if you’re feeling where. I know I, I’ve, I’ve noticed after adjustment sometimes it seems like a really good adjustment. My vision or my hearing is clearer and crisper. So what is that? Well, if something’s changing in my brain, nervous system processing, apparently that gives me. But the bottom line is I feel better. So how much stuff or info do you need to make chiropractic part of your lifestyle? I don’t know, but for me like for you. Okay. I feel better. I like this. I’m getting more research. It makes sense for you, for another person it doesn’t fit in with their values.

00:53:53 Well finding because it’s tough to quantify it. It’s tough in everyone’s busy lives to make the time for it because it’s kind of like. But it’s, you know, it’s something you have to go to your office and a travel to when you know it’s, it’s tough for people. I think they’ll, they’ll put going to the gym higher than going to the chiropractor. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think it’s tough to get it into everyone’s daily routine. True. True. Daily. I don’t mean daily, but you know, a regular routine. It’s like stretching. I’m not equating you guys to like, like chiropractic activity or functions or chiropractor chiropractory to just stretching, you know, I’m. But, but that’s a good point. Most people will go work out so they might spend 45 minutes working out and they won’t spend 30 seconds stretching. I know for me, I did that for 10 years, like my stretch revolved, like my stretch was really like taking a big deep breath. So my chest puffed out and then it felt like I was stretched and that was it. Like I did nothing. Right? Yeah. If you take. But thinking about to also what you value, right? So would you, where you’re at right now, right? Would you give up your chiropractic even though you’re busy? I know. I’ll give it up. Give it up. Because you know what it gets you.

00:55:05 Right? So somebody’s listening. You’re not going to know what it gets you unless you try it. People tend to be motivated in the beginning of their care because they have a problem, but once they’ve experienced the benefits,

00:55:14 agree, that’s like I’m making time for

00:55:16 come in once a week or once every two weeks because I know that this is good for me and I’m just gonna. I’m gonna. Avoid. Yeah.

00:55:22 Problems or I’m going to feel a little mobility issues now. Been doing it long enough. I’m like, I could use it a bit of an adjustment there. I can kind of and I feel better for it, but I took to Nick’s point also. I know I need to layer in like stretching and litter. So many other things. One thing I wanted to ask you, um, to I wanted to make sure I get the opportunity to ask you is in my life I’ve had some weird chiropractic adjustments from not yourself from other chiropractors. Nobody. Literally, I’ve had like a, an adjustment where I walk out and I feel like I’m walking crooked or something, you know, is that a chiropractor who’s just done at an adjustment where they didn’t know what they were doing or is that I really feel like my hips were like off and I’m like, I’m not going back to that person.

00:56:00 Yeah, I mean it’s possible. When, when, when you’re working with somebody, um,

00:56:06 Pennzoil especially in, you know, what happened? I literally, I went into this a one time thing. It was a one time thing. I went in, they saw me, I said I had some tightness here. They kind of threw me down maintenance adjustment and it didn’t go right. And I’m like, I’m not going to look back to chiropractor. Overall wasn’t a good experience. Right? So, I mean we, I always

00:56:24 tell people that are new and care. This is like, you know what, the first few adjustments I’m figuring your body out and you know, we’d like it to, I would like you to feel great after your first adjustment, but sometimes you won’t, you might be sore, you might be stiff, you might feel if your boss, your posture has been a certain way for 20 years and we changed something. You may get up off the table and feel weird because you’re not used to that. Um, so you may have had not a great adjustment. You may have had an appropriate adjustment, but just the change was not comfortable. That’s why I don’t love, Hey, come in, throw you down. I don’t do that type of care because you got to. First of all, the biggest thing today, and we talk about this with chiropractors, is you gotta.

00:57:00 Even if the person wants to be there, you still have to kind of earn their trust on that first visit and get them to know that, hey, I’m here for you. I want to listen to your concerns. What are you looking for? Kind of bond. You know, get them, you know, get on their side, then do an exam and then say, great, we’re going to have you come back and go over your results and then really explain everything to them because if you just rush into care and people don’t really know what’s going on, why exactly you don’t feel comfortable. That’s usually when the negative experiences happening. In my mind, that’s why I don’t do it that way, but what I’ve heard of other people with other chiropractors, I went there, they didn’t really do much. They laid me down and they did this, they did that and I didn’t like it.

00:57:41 I never went back kind of thing, which is chiropractors are listening. You’ve got to do good, you got to do a really good exam. You got to like the talk to that person, you know, and if they’re not comfortable, don’t do anything. You know, if they come back and they’re not really ready for it, it’s not a good fit. It’s not a good time, then just wait till it’s the right time to start care with them. Anyway, that’s a whole other thing, but what were you going to want to talk about something else which is a little more concrete than, I mean it could be more concrete and so normal posture. So um, every time you see that in like I have to sit up straight, you don’t have to, but this is not an end. Again, this is not per se just to chiropractic thing, but in a medical literature, physiotherapy literature, chiropractic literature wreck, the recognition of something called forward head posture. Okay? So forward head posture. Do you guys know what that is? Okay. What are your head’s forward? Head is forward here. So how do you, how do you know somebody?

00:58:34 How do you know if somebody has that? How do you know somebody has that? Your kid or your wife? How do that, that little roll you see where that little old. Hold on last scanned on a. not so much. Why don’t you just tell us? Okay. So you look at somebody from the side. I’m going to probably have it because I’m leaning into the microphone, but if you look at where their eras in relation to the shoulder, I don’t know if they can see that on the video, right? If my ears forward, that’s forward head posture from the outside and it in the. But that year should be close to the shoulder. Okay. So you would see in an extreme example, you see, you go to the mall and you see an elderly person and they’re walking hunched over, right? They’ve got. But even see teenagers, right? You go to the parking lot to pick up your kid and you see some teenagers have forward head posture or adults or whatever. Right? So what are the. So is that, is that normal? No. Is it healthy? I guess? No. No. Why? Why not? Well,

00:59:22 I’ll tell you. So, forward head posture cheat and that happens over time due to devices and whip lashes and Jim and blah blah blah. So it changes a lot of things in the spine there. This study, which is not a chiropractor steady, but this study was um, last year journal, a physical therapy science. Um, what they showed is that forward head posture can decrease forced vital capacity, so that’s breathing. So, um, and they conclude that it’s necessary to develop more efficient interventions for managing forward head posture based on pulmonary function. We chiropractors have the solution to forward head posture with our care. But um, this is really cool, but like how you just slip that in there because your therapist didn’t know that and uh, so. And they might learn that from Utah. I’m not exactly sure. I’m a patient. Was forehead posture reduced lung capacity.

01:00:17 So as a CrossFit or do you want reduced lung capacity? Do you want your son who’s an elite soccer player? But hold on, I’m going to cut it short because we get it. You want your body to be in the right position. So we’ve, we’ve talked about this probably for 20 minutes already, so just this is not nervousness in his hip hop. I understand. So what happens, say you want your arm above your head. Most people can’t do that, but I’m thinking, I’m thinking, nick, there’s people that are listening that are going to clue into one of these things because they’re going to go, oh, I look at my wife and her head is, that’s not, why is it, you know, that’s not normal and what’s it doing? So I get it. So I get all the brands. What does that, what? No, no. What do you do?

01:00:53 Okay. So if we, if you have forward head posture, if I X-ray, you and we see you have forward head posture, what do, what are the longterm consequences of that other than bad posture? I guess all the things that you’re saying I can’t, I just kinda want you to tell me the answers to these questions. That’s why you’re here is difficult if you’re here to give the answers. So it leads to degeneration of the neck, degeneration of the spine, arthritis of the spine. So that’s. So if someone starts with forward head posture when they’re a teenager into their twenties, by the time they’re 30 or 40, they’re probably going to have degeneration of the spine. So if you’ve heard of the net low levels of the spine, c four, five, six, seven, right. So the discs breakdown, they, they dehydrate the narrow. We get bone spurs growing, so pathological essentially non-reversible changes to the spine.

01:01:41 So that’s not good for us because once it becomes degenerative or pathological you, it’s really difficult. So I guess in the next 20 years Jesus is going to be huge because it is. Everybody’s staring at the aging successfully. Really bad, really bad. And we’re at that one conference and we had, there was one, a physiotherapist there that made, there was telling them, telling us that they make their kids look at their iPhones with their shoulders out in their art, their hands. Kelly started. Yeah. And he was a tea. So it’s directly in front of their eyes as to like get them to stand up straight. Yeah. But so in the next 20 years there’s going to be a lot of shit going on already. It’s already you can see where this is going to get worse to get one paper here that looked at where is it here?

01:02:28 It looked at. Then kids basically neck dysfunctioning kids, cervical proprioception in the young population, 18 to 35, and they have altered neck mechanics due to smart devices and neck pain. So, um, but we, so what I’m saying is Chiropractic, we have techniques to either maintain or restore the cervical curve. So, you know, coming to the office, one of the things we, we take the x-ray and we see a person as forward head posture, last cervical curve, one of the goals of care is to try to restore that and we’re pretty successful not we can’t do with everybody. And if someone has advanced degeneration it’s not going to be possible. So that’s like my dental advertisement is like don’t wait until you’re 50 to go to the dentist because you may have irreversible changes to your teeth and gums that can’t be dealt with. But so with Chiropractic, get your kids in, are getting when you’re 20 or, or whatever you hear about this, you can check, we can check you for forward head posture with x-ray and postural evaluation.

01:03:20 So your, what I like to say to you is you’re coming regularly. Yeah. You feel good, but the work that we’re doing, maintaining your cervical curve is actually making you age more successfully because you’re not degenerating. You know what, Tom? I think you’re right. I think the chiropractors, because all this stuff you’re saying makes sense. I think the industry itself though might have some positioning problems because everything is like, you know, there’s the solution for everything. There’s like 100 different problems. You can’t hold your head up, right? You can’t do this, you can’t do that. Chiropractic stuffs the solution. We have the solution for this. We have the solution for that and I think sometimes, and I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m not, I’m not even saying it’s inaccurate. What I think is that sometimes people that are say they have the solution to so much.

01:03:59 Then some people are like, ah man. Like can you really be all things to all people all the time, you know, getting just as the marketers in us, you know that that’s a bad messaging situation to be in there because everything you pull out, you’re like, well we have the answer to this. There’s this and this and unless I’m listening that you don’t like, I’m not even about because there’s a lot of good value there, but the way it’s articulated sometimes. Yeah, I think that’s where the challenge comes and I know, you know, I know and I get the chiropractors get thrown under the bus a lot. Right. I think some, you know, it happens, but. But that’s every industry realtors do to high school. You’re absolutely right. And again, a lot of people that are coming to me today, they’re, like I said, they’re anti, they’ve seen a limit to the medical system and they want, they don’t want that or they want to avoid that and when, and I’ll be clear and say, do you guys, I’m not saying Chiropractic is the cure or fix or prevention for everything because if you have cancer, if you have advanced disease, if you need a hip replacement, you know if there’s an issue.

01:04:54 That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that it’s a really, it’s a really nice health promotional you. It was very similar to. It’s very similar philosophically to fitness. You know that if you work out regularly you don’t know exactly how, but you’re going to be better. I then if you don’t, I don’t think that our, the majority of the organized kind of health care system that we have should be giving any

01:05:18 but is my personal opinion. I don’t think they should be gave me advice on fitness. I don’t think they should be giving advice on nutrition and I don’t think they should be giving advice on the types of stuff that all these soft tissue stuff, I guess number, but the chiropractic and soft tissue stuff around movement and positioning of the body and understanding that because those are like, those are things that I feel everyone should be doing and they’re so focused on either like medication or just the bandaid solution for, oh, this hurts. So it’s got to be something like your hip hurts. It’s just going to be something with your hair. Like it can’t be anything with the spine. It’s got to be a hip thing. Right. And I think that’s a really, that’s a really good point because that’s a big disconnect in my opinion of the, uh, the healthcare system has as it’s currently constructed versus what I think would be, what would be optimal. I don’t know, that’s just my, again, my, my opinion and not all of them, uh, you know, because there’s, there’s probably like the best doctors ever, some of them in Canada as well. But I just think maybe in a general rule when as general practitioners, it’s tough to beat it, you know,

01:06:15 there’s just absolutely no way they’re going to be on top of all that. I’ll say, I’ll just say one thing. I had a patient walking in yesterday, she said to me, I, and she’s got all kinds of stuff going on. She was at a pain clinic and saw some top pain specialist at McMaster and she goes, oh, the pain specialist said to me, you know, I got to keep coming to you because if I don’t, I’m not going to be walking anymore. So some doctors get it and understand the value, but some don’t, aren’t aware of this stuff. And they’re not, you know, a learned into redux. We call that a reductionistic model. You heard here inject something here, rub something on here and not looking at the whole body. So that’s what, at least we’re not in the medieval times anymore. Or maybe we should go like, we could just appoint you, you know, that kind of led me a lot.

01:06:55 What were you going to say?

01:06:56 I just want to thank you for coming and talking about this and we don’t know this, but we’ve had people in your profession approach us and say that you do a good job articulating the message and they wanted to express their thanks for that because a lot of people in your profession won’t dare come on and share some of this stuff and talk about it and take some of the challenges and discuss it kind of openly and the good and the bad and all of that stuff. So just really wanted to thank you for what you do for me and my family. Um, we met you through Carol who really had some back issues and uh, you’ve really been helping her out a lot. So thank you for that. And um, and for sitting down and kind of doing what you do and bringing your papers and your highlights, we highlights we, uh, we appreciate mark.

01:07:35 So. Yeah. Yeah, I know, I know there is. I know that every, every week I’m scouring. What’s the best way to reach out to you a facebook Dr. Pete Angerilli. Um, Youtube. My email. Maybe if they have. I don’t know if somebody has a specific question. drpeterangerilli@Gmail.com. But I am on facebook. I’m on Instagram. Dr. Pete Angerilli I’m on Youtube. Okay. So on the, on our podcast page for this episode, we’ll link out to my email or my. Any of my pages. Yeah, we’ll put contact information on there. Cool. Thank you for doing this. We appreciate it. We’ll have you back again to chat. It was fun. It goes. We’ll see what the questions. Hey everyone. It’s Tom Karadza, hopefully enjoyed that show. Dr. Pete is a great guy. We have a lot of fun talking to him. If you have any questions for him for the next time we bring him on. The show or anything that comes to mind, feel free to send them our way, the best email address to use as podcast@rockstarinnercircle.com, so that’s podcast@rockstarinnercircle.com, or if you have any other guest ideas you’d like us to invite anyone on any topics you’d like to have us cover, feel free to email it to that email address and we will do our best to cover that information. We’re getting a kick out of the show. Thank you. Last year was great with this podcast. That was our first year. Thank you for all the feedback and thank you to everyone who’s given us a review so far on iTunes. If you haven’t had a chance to and you feel that we’ve earned it, if you can give us a rating and slash or review in iTunes without is deeply appreciated.

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