Whenever we dive into the topics of nutrition and fitness we quickly get lost in the nuance and details. On this episode of The Your Life! Your Terms! Show, Dr. Scott Christie comes in house to share his wealth of knowledge and expertise. We discuss fitness, getting “gains”, why feeling sore may not be optimal after workouts, fat burning vs. carb burning, fasting and more. Dr. Scott Christie is a wealth of information and does a good job of keeping us on track during the podcast!! You can learn more about him and his clinics at: www.OptiHealthClinic.com
Hey everyone, it’s Tom Karadza and on this episode episode of cannot speak episode of the podcast we have Dr. Scott Christie and we’re really fortunate to have Dr. Scott Christie on this because this guy knows his stuff. Listen to this. He’s a chiropractor, but he also has a degree in kinesiology. And I’m going to read something from his website and normally don’t do this, but it just gives you some good context of who you’re about to hear. One of Scott’s main roles as a certified kinesiology was working closely with medical doctors, physiotherapist and other chiropractors to both restore function and remove pain from thousands of clients. performant Scott also spent several years as an educational instructor for the sport performance Institute, and was responsible for teaching educating and certifying many of today’s personal trainers. His high performance professional standards and determination to constantly help others has afforded him the opportunity to work with several elite teams such as the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Toronto Marlies Canadian National Rowing team, and the Canadian National sledge hockey team. So this guy just has a ton of great experience he himself. Well, I’ll let you hear when he explained some of his past experiences for his own kind of fitness and stuff. Good guy knows tons of stuff. And the reason that we’re sharing, Dr. Scott Christie, and his story on the podcast here is Nick. And I believe living life on your terms is not just a financial thing. You know, we talk about real estate, we like real estate, obviously. But to really live life on your terms, you also have to have your health. And that’s led us down a path of fitness and nutrition. So when we stumbled into something like Dr. Scott Christie, who knows what he’s talking about, it just absolutely fats. It fascinates us. And you guys will probably get a good laugh of hearing Nick and I try to talk about some nutrition information. And we don’t fully know what we’re talking about. So we stumble all over the place. But anyway, that’s where we’re at. If you’re not even interested in this stuff, yet, we still think it’s valuable to listen to this and get exposed to some of this information. Dr. Scott Christie gives a good example of where to start if you’ve never even paid attention to your nutrition before. So a great podcast to listen and get some information around this subject. And if you are listening to this and have some real estate specific questions, listen up to this. We’re doing a lot more on Instagram over the last few months. You can find us on Instagram at Rockstar inner circle. So that’s at Rockstar inner circle is our handle on Instagram. If you want to ask any real estates state specific questions, that’s one of the ways you can get through to us if you haven’t already, so you can check us out on Instagram at Rockstar inner circle. And that’s where we’ve been answering questions more so than we ever have been in the past. So you can check out that platform if you’re on Instagram and check us out there. And with that, let’s
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Alright, so we’re live. And since it’s just me, Nick here, and Tom’s not here. There’s no one to say. Nick, can you hear me? So we’re missing out? And he wasn’t found yet. So have you heard you’ve heard a few of our podcasts or Tom says at the beginning? Yes. Can you hear me? Yeah, I’ve heard a number of people come up to me and said they really liked their like, they laugh about it all the time. So now I gotta I gotta figure out something to get my older brother back about picking on me with his with his confidence here. So yeah, we’re here with Dr. Scott Christie. So we cross paths, what, six months? Six months ago, we talked about doing this? Yes. So we move very quickly and getting these types of things done. And so I guess the thing that stood out is kind of this was the sports I mean, you do a bunch of stuff, which I’m just kind of learning about. But it was the sports science stuff. Really that was that jumped out at me. But But we were just talking about before we started, you’re not just so you’re doing some cheerleading stuff work within the cheerleading field as well. Right? Correct. So what do you what do you do and can share with us what you’re doing there?
Yeah, so I’m a co founder of a cheerleading app, which is, it’s mainly for, there’s two parts, it’s for social. So like Instagram, Facebook kind of thing. And then the other part is training and accountability for training for strength and conditioning for cheerleading. So I put together all the workouts for ages eight and up all kinds of different skill levels. So
you’re putting the program together. Who’s you who is relatively new app?
Yeah, it’s only about a it’s about seven months, eight months old now. So this is a new startup. So you’re putting programming together? And so there’s like, what, nine between ages and styles or something or like 19 different programs, you know? So that’s Yeah, so we went eight and up. Let’s say they’re in cheerleading, there’s different skills like there would be in most sports like hockey, you might have eight to 10 year olds, but within the eight to 10 year olds, you have level one through to level six.
And so all the way up to young adults and then just cheerleading gyms in general are using this is that how it’s going to work out the plan for
our original plan was just to go to each individual cheerleader and advertise it that way. But we’re finding it more effective for accountability to go to each gym so we sell the up to the gym.
So they usually said something interesting to me because you’ve worked with some other in some other sports fields as well like hockey, I know hockey like I think in even in the past, you’ve worked with the Leafs or some leafs and the Marlies and other sports as well. Yes.
So it was a company we used to be the Ottawa Sports Science Center. We now work with a company called the sport performance Institute. That’s what it was at the time. In the beginning, a lot of the Olympic athletes were actually funded by the government, but then they stopped that and so these little companies start up like the sport performance Institute and all the Olympic athletes have to go and find their own people to train them. So we did as contract work when I don’t know if you know Matt Nichols but he was one of the athletic trainers for the Leafs. Okay, he hired us to go work with the Leafs and the Marlies. So we would go in and do all their fitness testing with blood lactate with oxygen analysis, kind of. Okay, so there’s so much to talk about. So hold on sports performance institute that still exists. I don’t know if it still exists because my mentor my boss at the time, he now works for like the Canada center for sport here. And okay.
That’s something that so this is a pet peeve of mine about Canadian sport, like we have some really good athletes, and the lack of funding and the lack of good organization behind them or facilities or whatever really kind of holds them back. And, you know, it just when someone gives so much to something, and they’re performing at such a level to not have some support behind them, it can be hurt, you know, it just like I’m like, man, I just want to want this tool to have more. So one of the so the way that the coach that I did some work with she, you know, qualified I don’t know what competition she qualified for. But the funding together there doesn’t exist, right. Like sorry, is it like I think last year in the world’s in her weight class for weightlifting, she finished, I’m going to butcher the you know, the actual place I’m pretty sure was like top 15 or something I was at the pan and I don’t know some big competition, some big international competition. So like, she’s performing at like a global level. Right? Yeah. And, and like, there’s just not much support there. And it’s just too it’s kind of too bad. Like you want to see, because I don’t know about you. But like, I’d imagine you’re the same way. But I get pride when I see like a Canadian athlete. You doing well someplace like yeah, good man. It can be you know, Canadians are good. No different than the Raptors one half of Canada’s happy just because it’s a Canadian team. Right? Correct. So yeah. So So you were kind of involved in kind of helping the, you know, the back the back end of that, right? Correct. So how did you Okay, so the sports science stuff of what were you focusing on with the like, when you were dealing with it was the least has a team or specific players know, it was the team. So what are you guys working on.
So when they when they come into training camp, they have to go through all different areas of professional so I doctors, medical doctors, and then we took care part of the fitness stuff. So they would have to do come in and we’d market with 300 feet on the ice surface. They’d have to go in skate that 300 feet as fast as they can. You get 30 seconds and you have to do it six times. So let’s say they they escaped 300 feet in 17 seconds. Now that’s going to give them 13 seconds arrest before they have to start again. And so you do six rounds of that were set up over on the bench they have to come over to us and we draw blood from their finger just little little droplets of blood like you would see what the diabetic doing. Yeah, who commoner so doctor and the things after each route after each round know at the end of the six, okay. And then we would take blood samples out like one minute, three minutes, five minutes, and that data would be kept. And that would be the beginning of their year data. So it doesn’t mean a whole lot right then in there.
So what are you looking for? And just so everyone listening, Tom just kind of have to reverse spots? Usually, I’m the one walking in and Tom’s kind of, you know, kick this off. Tom, can you hear me? I can hear you. Can you hear me? This is great. Yeah, just want to make sure. So okay, so you’re taking the but what are you looking for? When you get like what markers? Are you guys measuring? Or were you measure when you’re taking this blood?
So what what we’re looking for is to collect a baseline of what we think their fitness is from a fatigue standpoint. Or what what what are they using as a fuel source, because if you use carbohydrates as a fuel source, your byproduct is going to be lactic acid. Okay. And hockey tends to work somewhat in that system. It’s changing a little bit because the shifts are shorter, etc. But we’re looking for the accumulation of lactate, and how fast it goes back
down. That’s why you’re taking the ones afterwards as well, the longer term one, that’s correct. So and then you’ll see. And then you’ll try to if your fitness is improved, then you’ll you’re able to flush lactic acid more rapidly, like like, like someone at the beginning of training camp versus mid season, they’re lactic acid should be going down is that theory? In theory with Yes, it’s
a little bit confusing. And this is where you do need to understand. Okay, so maybe we won’t go too deep. But it would look like this. Back in the late 80s and 90s, lactate levels would go up into like 18 to 19 million miles per leader. And that’s enough to definitely show that you are not functioning anywhere close to what you need to be both physically and mentally, when we’re dealing with lactate levels. Now, because the shifts are shorter, we’re only seeing that about go up to about half that. Because the shifts are 45 seconds, not two minutes anymore. So what we’ll look for is what are your locked a values now? And then midway through the season? What are they? So that’s what we’re looking for. And we don’t have to really get into the interpretation. But you’re looking at how well yes, you can clear the lock data to the muscle cell. But it can get confusing when you’re trying to read it because it’s still in your bloodstream. Yeah, I gotcha.
And then there’s variables there. Like you said, anatomy stuff. And I guess even what you’re doing like the explosiveness of the shifts, that’s why you’re doing sprints on the ice to get to get those levels.
So did you guys talk about it? How do you develop yourself so that you can flush it faster? We didn’t know.
So there’s this is the big argument in hockey because it’s shorter shifts, shorter shifts. Now, in the past, we used to say you would do you want to develop your slow twitch muscle fibers because they use lactic acid as a fuel source.
I always get mixed up, can you so for anyone not familiar and because I always get them mixed up? Can you just explain the difference between slow twitch and and what is a fast is quick, quick, fast, fast. Yeah. So
just to make it simple, slow twitch is more your endurance, non fatigue, mobile muscle fibers, okay. And then the fast twitch are the ones that explosive? Yes. And there’s a couple different types. But basically, you look at what they use as a fuel source and how fast they contract.
Okay, so you said so you’re trying to do the slow you they thought that it was a good idea to develop the slow twitch muscle fibers to kind of help
with the lactic acid. Yeah, so that when you’re sitting on the bench, if you have a really good slow twitch system in your body, you could eat up the lactic acid as a fuel source, okay, keeping fatigue levels low. So that’s developing your aerobic system, you got it.
that’s now false. They’re there. So we were doing studies where we compared if you just did high intensity interval training compared to slow training, what the difference would be as far as your recovery, and there was no, there doesn’t seem to be a big difference, really. Now you’ll see some teams. I don’t know if you remember back when the Ottawa Senators were being interviewed, and they’re riding on the site their bikes after I don’t
go senators, oh, yeah. scores,
like a running joke in the NHL. There was memes about that stuff. So what they were doing Daniel Alfredsson, I think was the number one culprit know, he’d be rough, like on the bike and then other NHL players, wasn’t it God who someone mimicked him when a reporter asked him so like, what do you think after the game, and he started pretending he was on the bike? Oh, really.
He would always be on the bike during the postgame interviews.
So what was done there was that we know what speed they need need to ride on the bike got to remove lactic acid the fastest. So if you can get rid of lactic acid quickly, then you’re going to start replenishing all your carbohydrate stores so that you can recover faster between games. That’s the whole idea of the logic behind that.
So that’s, does that still hold true? I would say so. Yeah. To some capacity, man. Not the same, the same amount. But yeah, can I know, like, in this space, so much is changing so fast?
Yeah, go ahead. If you do want longer shifts, like if I wanted to play two minutes, then so in your thinking, my right, I would want to develop my aerobic system to develop my slow twitch twitch muscle fiber, so that I could clear the lactate out and have a longer intense shift. Is that thinking correct?
You? Would you? Yeah, you’re right, you you can build up your aerobic base, keep moving it up so that you can train faster without producing fatigue?
Got it? Okay. Okay. So even if you’re doing a short, you know, two minute shift on the ice, there’s a benefit to long aerobic training, there is if you if you know what you’re doing what is done, right? Anyone? What
would be the mistake, the mistake is people miss their aerobic training zone, they train too hard.
Got it? Okay. And then is that like a heart rate minus your age kind of thing? You know that? Yeah,
we try not to use hard way, we would actually physically take blood lactate. And if you don’t have that we use, it would be like me having a conversation with you guys. If I’m starting to have to take a breath. And every five or six seconds, every five or six words. I’m out of the aerobic training system that I want to go after. Once a year, okay, yeah, so, so different.
So if you don’t have that, well, I guess the breathing pattern everyone has access to you just
don’t know it, right. But so if I’m running around the building, and I want to develop my aerobic conditioning,
so just for the record, you should see Tom run.
Like, I’m a really bad runner. But I figured out the reason my bones are very dense. This is my reasoning. So I have heavy bones. So when I run it’s kind of like a jalopy that’s running around, because the bones are like weighing me down. This is my thinking. Yeah, like, Yeah, no, I know, I’ve totally sold myself on this. But so I just want to run at a pace where my breath is like, I can hold a conversation. Correct. So I can hold a conversation, just run at that speed, right? Because I’m a very impatient person. That’s so irritating to me, because I feel like I’m doing nothing. But if I just run laps at that pace that’s actually developing my aerobic system.
Yes, you have to do it for a certain amount of time and a certain how and a certain number of days of the week. And you’re right, nobody wants to do it, because it feels too easy.
So that the whole one at minus your heart rate like keeping in that zone? That’s not really, because when I do that, so at 40, that would bring me to 140. heart rate, like beats per minute. And nice, quick math on
that. Yeah, sure. Minus 40.
You’re on it, you’re on it had my phone was I had my phone in my
then, thanks, I totally forgot to say,
I think you’re saying is that right? or incorrect or useless?
No, not that not the math. But know, what I found is, but then when I use some of these apps that did a quick test on me. And my, my, my training zones, actually had me at a little bit of a higher heart rate. So I will put on a heart rate monitor that I have to do a certain kind of interval training, and it would measure, you know, what I thought was 100% of 100% effort versus other things, and then it would measure it and the heart rate zones, were actually kind of higher, meaning that I would actually have to keep a little bit higher, you know, a little bit higher heart rate going, is that just kind of like, are those benchmarks like for the average person? Can you use that a benchmark like that, or should you not even be really looking at that stuff?
I, if I’m just going to be blunt, I use it Really? Right. And I know, I know, people listening, you’re going to try and correct us that it’s to 20 minus your age, because I don’t want that getting in trouble. Oh, really? Yeah.
Hold your time. It’s 220. How the hell do you hold? I can’t hold one
at man. I’ve been
to 20 minus your age. Yes. But that’s not a robot. That’s psycho. No,
no, that’s not so we’re not at that point is not aerobic and heart rate is. So this would just be a mass like thousands and thousands of people. Were looking at an average number and the average number is going to be to 20 minus your age for what, but some people just if you are going to go let’s say we did to 20 minus 40. So when 80 Yeah, we’re assuming that that’s your maximum heart rate.
That makes sense.
Oh, God, and then you subtract,
yeah, so then we would do percentages of the of your heart rate. Got it? Okay. I thought the
aerobics see what the way we were looking at was the aerobic zone was the one at the maximum. So obviously use that as the maximum. I didn’t know that’s where the one he came from. But minus minus on
the one at the starting point one at we’re just generalizing too much it should be to 20 minus your age, then minus then your and percentage
of that I bought about percentages,
it depends on what your goals are. So people would say you’re fine. That’s good, though. It’s good. No, I really appreciate hearing this. So what everybody’s trying to do is determine what fuel sources you’re using, because everybody wants to burn fat. Okay, and what muscle fibers are you using? That’s really all training is all about we we really overcomplicate things. What muscle fibers Do you want to train? What energy systems do you want to use? And why do we all want to burn fat instead
of carbohydrate? loosely?
go and isn’t burning fat? Because like, if I’m an educated in this, but carbohydrate is stored? Isn’t that right in my muscle fiber?
So So yeah, so I release fatty acids and free fatty acids
to metabolize them? Don’t they have to go through my liver? So isn’t it the process slower? So the maximum capacity you’re burning carb is better? If I’m really trying to give my full exertion? No. I don’t know what I’m talking about by I know what you’re trying to get out. Okay,
you’re coming back to the harder you train, the better it is. So the more you feel it, yeah. Yeah. Then it’s got to be more beneficial,
I guess. Yeah. But I’m also saying I to really feel it, you know, isn’t the car better? Because that fuel sources right in the muscle? Whereas the fatty? What am I talking about? When I talk about things like that, like free, fatty, free, the triglycerides don’t have to be processed through my liver to actually burn the fuel?
No. So you can you can have transitions within the muscle fiber itself. And that’s really what the aerobic system is all about. Okay, you You’re right, you do have to have releases of certain hormones, to create the conversion of triglyceride into a free fatty acid to use it as a fuel source, that process has to extract a
little bit longer than using the carbohydrate as a source. Correct? And isn’t there some debate then around that, that, like burning fat isn’t quite as good is burning carbohydrate? No, no. So there’s just two different.
There’s just was onto something, there’s just two different streams of people, there’s the high intensity interval training, and then there’s the slow, steady pace. But after a 24 hour period, it really is irrelevant which one you do, you’re going to burn the same amount of fat over 24 hours. But just burning carbohydrates in itself produces lactate, or hydrogen ions, which gives you the burn and gives you the fatigue and makes you feel like you’ve worked harder, but it’s only because you use that fuel source. And that’s an easier, more easily accessible fuel source, which is why people burn it first. Like whenever you start exercising, you’re burning the that fuel source slows the majority of people. So the first fuel sources actually what’s stored in your muscle fiber, which is called This is biology, ATP, adenosine triphosphate. I know
ATP team, I
know that I
didn’t, I didn’t know what to stand, I didn’t know Step four, I just need a little letters.
So though, when you first start a movement, that’s the most accessible fuel like gas in the tank of a car, ATP and CPE is your your first accessible fuel. As you start to go, you start to use carbohydrates, it starts come into the equation to start to create more ATP. And then after about maybe a few more seconds, then your aerobic system, which uses free fatty acids and proteins starts to kick in to create ATP after second, like I thought it was like for the first five minutes, I use this in the next five minutes, I use that and then afterwards, you know, maybe not five, but whatever, you know, and then it kind of kicked in, but you’re saying it happens very clear, they’re all pretty much at the same time. It’s the the rate that you get a tip from each one. So to get a tip from a tip is quick. To get a tip from carbohydrates takes longer because you have to break the carbohydrate or the glucose down into to create a teepee. I’m not going to get more time. No, of course. And then the same thing with the fat it takes longer than than that, then it does for carbohydrates. Okay, so it all starts pretty much at the same time
when you were talking about the time frame for someone, you know, we were talking about fat loss because fat loss in our society, you know, it’s so much interest in fat loss, how long do you need to be operating in these zones to start triggering some fat loss?
So it depends on the time of day. So in the morning, you’re typically low on carbohydrates. So common sense would say your body starts to burn fat as a fuel source before you eat. So one of the one of the theories is we’ll watch it, then just do your training. And the first thing in the morning.
I thought, everyone I work out in the morning. So I think it’s the best way everyone else should do it. Yes.
But I don’t know about that.
But it doesn’t necessarily work out that way. Because you also start raising cortisol levels a lot faster. So you’re, you’re in this breakdown, tear down, build up scenario. So it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s the best time to do it. But it but that is a theory. And it is true that you’re going to burn more fat early in the morning before you’ve eaten then you would later on in the day. That’s assuming you don’t train too hard. Because if you train too hard, you’re going to start getting into the carbohydrates. Okay, well, that’s my problem. or muscle mass. Oh, I don’t like to hear that. So I
actually have more make more gains by training at a different time of day
is what I’m he more efficient? He could be more efficient? If it’s, he’s working against himself a little a little bit. Yeah. Okay, you can still get to the same spot. So the expense to me, so Okay, look, how do we how do you know that you like how does someone? Like, if you want to know what works for you? Yeah. How do you figure it out? Like how the hell did someone supposed to figure this stuff out? They don’t know, you read Men’s Fitness. And it’s like the six second app workout here? Like how do you know like, Hey, here’s how I should structure things for me, if someone’s actually more than just, you know, wants to run on a treadmill for 20 minutes a day, like they’re actually more interested in fitness and that type of stuff. I think the way that I usually answer this, you have to decide what’s most important to you? Are you training for looks? Are you training for healthy, you’re training for performance. Because of your training for health, a lot of this conversation is null and void, irrelevant, you should just be doing lots of different things every day. That way, the joints stay healthy, your mind stays healthy, you don’t have to worry about wear and tear as much. If you’re training for looks, that’s almost all nutrition. And then you just kind of put in your weight training. But if you’re training for performance, it gets a little bit obsessive. So you would need help to determine what you should be doing. Because it does get a little bit trickier. Depending on what it is you’re you’re looking for. So performance in the sense of bodybuilding, which is kind of what we’re all trying to do if you want to look better. That’s a different that’s a whole different beast, which is more nutrition. And then trying to the workouts are just kind of supplementary. Yeah,
versus someone that’s trying to play hockey or soccer at a high level and wants to kind of optimize whatever they’re doing for that sport. Well, that’s kind of good news. Because if you’re training for health, and it’s just like you’re saying just do a bunch of stuff don’t we can overcome, which is what I kind of feel by going to the gym that we go to Dan programs, a whole bunch of different stuff, we just kind of do a bunch of running, lifting,
pull ups, push ups box jobs, just a whole kettlebell swing, just always random for someone like me, maybe not at your level. But then for looks, it’s all nutrition. So that means that just what you’re eating will dictate your body’s form.
A lot of a lot more people give it credit for so
can you give an example of that? So you just yet Can you just kind of walk me through that a little bit. So
so I was a competitive bodybuilder? I don’t know if you guys knew that. No, I know you’re looking at me now. I know. But
I see it now.
Yeah, absolutely. So I did that for about six years. And one of the things you do is you need to understand what you metabolize the best. And that’s where it can come into, you can actually take breathing tests where it measures how much oxygen comes in, how much oxygen these carbon dioxide that tells you what kind of how you metabolize things and your to max kind of Yeah, you don’t have to do a video to Max, you can just breathe in and out. Okay, and it’ll tell you what your percentages are of what you use
as a percentage of how much oxygen you taking that you’re actually able to use. Yeah, and then some people naturally, like genetically can use more oxygen.
Well, we take we take the percentages and create a formula out of it, which tells you how if you’re if you burn more fat
cell not just oxygen, you’re actually measuring acetate and your your breath or what is that? Basically we know nothing we don’t I know there’s something where you breathe out, it means you’re burning fat or something. Yeah, she ketones
when you can breathe those out. And you can they’re measurable. You’re you’re there just met, they’re just measuring the carbon dioxide and the oxygen. They are purely just okay. I thought
when I’m burning ketones, something’s coming into my breath, because I had this little meter that I would blow into. But we’re playing around with this. And it was telling you if you were in a burning fat or not. Okay, but you’re definitely do that as well. Okay, got it. Yeah, okay, I see.
But we’re talking about just kind of what what do you metabolize when you’re at rest? And I can kind of dictate whether or not you can handle a lot of carbohydrates? Can you handle a lot of fat, but I’m going to be just, I think most of us know this already, whether we can handle carbohydrates, or whether we can handle fat, so you just need to, to use common sense and stick to what percentages you feel you work the best with.
Don’t give us too much credit, because I don’t think I really knew anything. Like I now know that my body seems to do well, on a pretty high fat diet. Like I can personally handle a lot of fat, maybe more so than some other people just me. But I didn’t know that at all. until I started trying it out on my own. I feel pretty good on this higher fat more than the higher carb for me personally. And I’m know we’re all different. So is that? How you know you when you say we all know, how do we all know?
Your energy levels? Yeah. Okay. Your appearance. Okay. Got it. And it just becomes that we live in a difficult society where we’re being blasted with marketing, and what tastes good. And we just kind of go away from that. So your body will figure it out if you get rid of the junk.
What the problem? Okay, so we went down this all interesting, but no, we were talking about that separate time with the Leafs. So you were doing some work with the leaves.
way that’s you’re helping leaves this is great news.
So what other stuff? And to be clear, and now that you’ve said that just this one was in the past, correct? You right? So just I don’t want to say oh, well, Hey, hold on. I you know what, but how? What other sports? Or what else are you doing in hockey with the Leafs or other people like? So you mentioned their blood? Based on this type of stuff with it? Was there other things you guys were kind of focused on as well,
not not for the Leafs because they had other people there to do all the other component? Okay. We did help set up timing lights, and then take and collect data for that. But we were working directly with Matt Nichols. At that time, okay, to collect that data. I actually lived on Vancouver Island for about eight months to work with the lightweight women’s rowing team prior to the Olympic. Really, what were you doing with them? So in that case, I was still doing blood lactate testing, but I was also responsible for developing their training, dry land training, so their weight training.
So where did you get that background? So you have the scientific background? Like, which is obviously there’s schooling involved in that that, you know, especially, I guess, when you got it, there wasn’t the YouTube videos that we can all learn from now. But there was so there’s, so where did you get into that? That component of things.
So I originally,
when I was done school, the first time I came back to my hometown, and I ran a fitness facility, okay. And you know what it’s like you want I go to seminars. So I went to a seminar, and I sat down with this one guy that was talking like listening to what he had to say. And within the first 30 seconds, he I knew he was probably the smartest person I’ve ever met in the fitness industry. And so from there, I just kept pounding him. And he was the one that deals with was dealing with all the Olympic athletes and dealing with the best exercise physiologists across the country in the world. And so eventually, he let me come aboard, and he took me under his wing. Oh, that’s awesome. And so at that point, I was working for him. And his company was two parts. One of them was we were an educational company that went and certified personal trainers. And we would teach different training levels, depending on what kind of population you wanted to work with all the way to power lifting, maximal strength. The other part was to do testing for sports teams. So that’s kind of how I got involved there. When When was this? I’d see I was trying to remember this before I came in. This was going to come up mid 90s, to like to thought like, I still do stuff with him every once in a while. So we just did a talk not too long ago.
But let’s say Okay, so let’s say mid 90s. Because I know a lot there’s more religious because I’m more into it. There’s more of this stuff is around now. But uh, mid 90s, this type of thing that you guys were doing was pretty there. Like it wasn’t as widespread as it is now. So you guys were operating at like, kind of at the top of the mountain peak? You know what I mean? Like you and other other people as well? Yeah. Well, I mean, there wasn’t a lot of people really focused on on that
kind of there’s a big gap between what professional or what amateur athletes were getting as far as expertise. And what was being trickled down to personal trainer. Yeah, there is a big gap there.
Is there still as much of a gap from what you see,
yeah, I’ll still go into the gym and I see people like I’m sure if I went in there every week, I’d see the same person doing working out just as hard at that is he is he is 40 weeks from now. And we with elite athletes, we don’t do that.
So I want to go back to Let’s welcome back to the rolling. So what do you do? So someone that’s like, what are the site? What’s the cycling that you guys are seeing with with with athletes? like are they Is it like two weeks on two weeks off two weeks on one week off a month on like, how you go? What are you going to do?
That’s That’s our job to so we would do questionnaires, performance evaluations, to determine when these people need to take a break. And then that would be scheduled in and we keep checking to make sure we’re on the right schedule. So when we say because like I said, I worked in the fitness facility for a long time. And I’m like you got you need to take a Recovery Week. Well, yeah, I took Friday and Saturday off. No, you need to take a week where you either take it off, or you you cut your intensity down by half. And yeah, I know you probably feel good, but we’re trying to make sure you feel good all year long. And tendons, joint capsules, bone, ligaments, they all adopt a different rates. They can’t keep going because you’re going to get your tendinitis is and your and, and your shoulder pain. And you’re creating that because you’re not allowing the tissues to adapt. So we try to do the programs based on the person that’s in front of us. So sometimes they can some people can do two weeks on one week off because they don’t adopt well. Other people can be eight weeks and it tends to be more how intense that were. how intense are we right now?
Yeah, okay. What are you checking to decide if they can’t adapt, or they can adapt?
So for us to make things simple, we’re basically looking at psychological questions as to your motivational levels. How are you soar in the morning? Do you feel like working out today? Do you feel like getting up today? Those are like, those are some of the big questions I will ask. I’m actually working with one of the local boxers here in our in Oakville right now. And we’re kind of doing that. But we’re also looking at heart rate variability. I was
just gonna ask that because all the measurement tools are now getting quite good at that. Yeah. So can you explain why you’re looking at that?
So with heart rate variability, we I’m just going to make the math simple here. Let’s pretend your heart rates of 60 beats per minute. So we all assume that your heart beats at one time per second. So everybody have the math there? Yeah. So the closer you are to your heart rate beating at one second per for for up to 60 beats, so if it goes beat, beat, beat and it’s really consistent. That means you’re overtrained or unhealthy. You want to see more variability between your beats. So you may have a beat at 1.1 seconds, and then another 1.9 seconds and so on.
And Tom’s I know Tom, when he started measuring his he’s, you know, Tom’s he was bragging about how high his variability was. Thomas was very bill joking, right?
Hello? Yeah, actually, I do. I know. It’s unique to I was wearing a whoop. And I actually had to reach out to them because mine was so low that I thought maybe I was dying or something because my everyone else was reporting heartbeat, heart rate variability scores on this week band of like, was like 82, one day at 20. And mine was like, 20. And then a good day for me was 30. And and then my rate, and if I had 35, I felt to me like if I hit 35, I was like, I’m on fire. I feel amazing. But I would there be some days, I was like 1618. And I reached out to them. And they just said, Well, some people are different, you know, just use that as your benchmark. And if you’re on the high end, you’re probably good. If you’re on the low end, you’re probably exhausted. And so that’s what I did. But I’ve only met one or two other people who have that low heart rate variability scores.
So the so the lower the variability score, like there’s something less
healthy you are,
the more under fighter flight you are under, right, so the sympathetic load. But typically, if you want a good heart rate variability, it needs to be a chest strap, or there’s another company that sells finger one for core, it’s called poor sense. And that’s the one we’re using. And he puts it on and I can see his data every day. So he two minutes in the morning before he gets out of bed. He puts this thing on. And then I see the data on my
gum in the aura ring, which is a finger one. Would that be similar to that one? No, though,
cuz it is it looked like a pulse oximeter. It has
little sensors on it. It looks like a ring. I think it’s totally veins. Yeah. It might not be as detailed as you’re getting something with multiple answers.
Yes, I think that all rings pretty good. I mean,
I’d have to look across it when I was trying to find some
more and more out there. I mean, who knows? Right? But
So okay, that’s interesting. So
I just want to be clear, I’m constantly under fighter flight. So I’m constantly, nobody
would know, I would want to use a different piece of equipment to
verify that Yeah.
And it’s unique to the person like if mindset, if my baseline might like when I you know, whatever just normally rested is 70. Can someone else be at 30? And be just like their baseline? It doesn’t mean there’s everyone has to operate in 70. Right. So yeah, even I’m letting you off the hook on this one. But
the baseline should be taken during a period of low stress.
Yeah, low stress in life as well. Like we first put that ring on when we were on a trip to a guy’s trip to New York. And that’s when I first started wearing it. And it read the first The next day, I was like you didn’t sleep? Or you know, last night Oh, yeah, lovely. No actually slept. So yeah, I could see that you don’t want to set the baseline, when you’re just running all over the city. It was groundbreaking through those things to for me to see what alcohol did to your rest and your recovery. Like I knew, like obviously, everyone knows, right. But like, if you don’t feel great the next day if you drink too much, but even a few drinks, can really so not getting drunk and you know, not being out too late in the morning, it can really impact your recovery. Like from when I started to see my HIV numbers, I was like, wow, that’s it was it was super insightful understanding that.
That one seems common. And the other one for me that I noticed after wearing it is when I stopped eating, if I stopped eating at about seven minutes. And then if I went to bed around 1030 or 11 o’clock at night, I got a much better night’s sleep than if I ate right up until 10 o’clock at night. And I think I’ve since learned it’s because I guess my body’s like digesting the food instead of like recovering at night. Does that sound right to you? You’re probably getting a few hormonal releases that’s interrupting my recovery. Okay. And just something you said earlier that you know how in the morning, when you’re talking about Nick working out, he’s burning in the morning, because he hasn’t eaten while he’s burning fat at that point, more efficient, more efficiently. Is that why the whole trend of this intermittent fasting kind of makes some sense because like, if Nick doesn’t eat, forget about the workout stuff. I just mean if he started if he didn’t eat until noon, now he’s prolonging that fat burning until noon. Now from a performance point of view. Let’s say Nick just says well screw it. I’m not going to eat any day until noon. So I’m going to stop eating at nine o’clock at night. And then I’m just going to not eat until the next day at noon every day. And I’ll eat in that nine hour window from 12pm to 9pm. And that’s it. Do you see any downfall with that? Because sometimes I when I wake up in the morning, I’m like I’m not really even feeling that hungry. But I have my routine I eat my same foods is or should you just not eat in the morning if you’re not hungry? I guess this is a loaded question. Because you’re about to say it depends. And men and women are there’s hormone
general. Let’s see. What
are your so I think at this point, I’m just gonna, I’m just going to throw my opinion. Okay, because I did we did teach nutrition in this then for sport performance. Since this is such a
touchy topic, everyone when you talk about this stuff, you know, like look, I’m just saying there’s everything’s different. But yeah,
I’m gonna go right. We I think we make this way too complicated. Okay, if you’re hungry, eat if you’re thirsty drink. Yeah. And just eat clean and drink good fluids. Like, I think we get a bit. Yes, I like the intermittent fasting. It’s fine. If you feel good with it. Good. Carry on. You’re not doing anything wrong. You’re not going to hurt yourself. But the bottom line is going to be we got to stop eating the way we’re eating the crap. Yeah. And I think we make it too. Too difficult.
So yeah, that’s really nice and simple. I I love hearing that. And I think the hard part for me was I didn’t know what the replacement foods were going to be. So to eat clean. I didn’t understand that. Maybe I like macadamia nuts. And that, you know, that could be a substitute for eating Oreo cookies. You know what I mean? And I know that might be laughable. But I swear I really didn’t know that like, oh, maybe I can have a bit of almond butter. Instead of me having some Nutella. The feeling and kind of
I found a great just at lunch. I found a great dessert at farm boy. They have farm boy bars and all that was in them was oats, peanut butter, honey, something else and like vanilla extract or something. And they were really good. doing really good little bit of sugar. I think there was like eight grams of sugar in the thing but for like a little snack afterwards. I’m like, that’s actually not too bad. tasted really good. So you can find these like you said you can. When you look for Yeah, before you even hard to find you
have to read all the words I was hard to find. Now though, right? I was eating some chocolate covered dark chocolate almonds, which I love, like dark almonds covered in dark chocolate are definitely sweet. Yeah, this dark chocolate here. But dark chocolate covered almonds to me are like that’s my food, right? That’s my definitely I love it. And I was reading the ingredients. As I was eating these things. I’m like, Oh, look at that ingredient right there. Shell ack. I’m like, I guess that’s probably pretty good for me. And I’m looking at these almonds, and they’re all shiny and they look beautiful. My god, this is great. I just kept eating them. I’m thinking the whole time. I’m like, there can’t really be shellac on these. But I think that’s what we find it all the time now is we’re just reading all these things. And I find now all these replacement foods like I’m like, oh, when you look at a can of sardines, I’m like this is like a protein bar in a in a can like a can of sardines, or a banana, or you know, with a little bit of almond butter or something like that. It’s not that hard. But I didn’t, I genuinely did not know how to eat healthy at all. Like, that’s where I think the majority of us start or at least
you’re not taught it anywhere. Like you have to actually go and figure it out yourself. And now it’s easier because there’s access to more information out there, you got to make sure you’re choosing good sources. But it is easier to find a good source than it used to be. But I mean, you’re not taught it in any way, shape, or form. So how do you how do you recommend people learn to eat clean? So like,
that might sound ridiculous, you know, like, I’m listening
to you guys talk. And I still, I still believe it’s it’s even simpler than than that. Like, if you take a look, it’s basically vegetables, fruit. And if you’re somebody that’s going to eat meat, you have your meat products or fish, anything out beyond that, if you want to put Kiwi for fat source or almond butter, like to me that’s not those are just exterior things eating clean, it’s just coming back to is it processed. If it’s not processed, you’re probably going to be okay. So no flour products, no sugar products. Everything else you’re going to get from you’re going to get your carbohydrates, your proteins and fats, and you’re going to probably start gravitating towards, like you said more more carbohydrate or more fat, whatever you start to feel comfortable with.
You said if you eat me, do you not eat me? Yes, I do. Okay, so the whole talk on, you can’t get all the amino acids that you need. If you don’t eat meat, is that
accurate? No, it’s not accurate. So when you’re taking a look at these things, they’re trying to, if you’re a vegetarian, they want you to combine certain foods so that you get all 22 amino acids. But really, every food has every ingredient in it. The some of them are so miniscule that they won’t count it so they just call it trace, and they just say it’s not there. But basically, if you’re trying to get a well rounded fuel source, and you’re not, and you’re have some type of vegetarian, you’re probably gonna have to make sure you’re having a wider variety of legumes and beans and your Rice’s. But you can get everything that you know,
there’s bodybuilders out there that are vegan. And there they have a lot more muscle mass, some I wish I could remember exactly. So I can speak more intelligently. But I swear I’ve listened to some someone explained that the over long term to get all the amino acids that the quantity that you need them to your point, it’s just very difficult to do. Yep. So that you know, some people end up having teeth issues and all kinds of different things that don’t aren’t visible when the first year, but over four or five, six years do come to fruition. And I’ve never known if that’s actually accurate or not. So it sounds like it might not be but you have to be kind of on top of the nutrition to make sure you’re getting the amino acid you need if you are vegetarian, yeah,
because it is it is difficult to get enough protein if you are going to be a strength training athlete or or an endurance athlete. So endurance athletes, when I was doing this endurance athletes for us actually needed more protein than our than our hockey players or any type of strength training athlete. Now strong man is going to be a little bit different. But basically endurance athletes use protein as a fuel source when they’re running.
Really, I think for some reason, I would have thought some endurance athletes weren’t going to be using protein. That’s not their main that’s their main fuel source. No. Okay. Yes, I mean, carbs,
protein there. Yes, they should, they definitely do.
Okay, got it. And then, for someone like, you know, for this whole training method for someone like myself, who like, I feel like I really love lifting heavy rocks off the ground and building walls, that’s what I feel like I’m designed for, there’s a heavy block there lifted up a build a wall, like, I feel like, that’s what I’m does. I feel like, if I was born like 300 years ago, I would be the guy to like, Hey, we need a lot of walls built, you build the walls, and I would just go build walls all day. But I want to be able to run a little bit better than I do. So like this is just constantly, I have to work on my card, I have to work on my, my, my aerobic capacity. So I have to do what their skill involved in running too, though.
I know I
know. For a second, I don’t I don’t have good form. But I just mean, I have to work on this aerobic capacity. I have to do these longer stints of boring. mind numbing silliness to build my aerobic capacity. There’s no other way to build my aerobic capacity than doing like these 3045 miles, I’m waiting for horrible. I hated a slow, like, at least if I’m sprinting I feel like oh my god, I’m just ranting, but like running slow to me is like, Oh my gosh, what am I doing? I’ll just get my car, like, what am I doing? Why am I running so slow? This is horrible. But that’s what I have to do?
No, you can’t like high intensity interval interval training is still going to build up an aerobic base. But it’s just if we’re looking at it, what’s more efficient, than the longer slower stuff is more efficient. But I do I do want to make a point because I worked with a lot of amateur athletes and I was working with a 1500 meter runner. And we were doing his blood lactate testing. And his long slow jogging speed where where it was it was 11.5 miles per hour on the treadmill. God could run for hours at so more fit you become the so you may need to start slow. Okay.
Okay, which is
where I summarize marathon runners. I forget like yeah,
you’re right. Yeah, that guy. Where do they have that treadmill where you can try to run as fast as Yeah,
and it was a human a marathon at that level. And like, I don’t feel like I keep over 400 meters. Yeah. Okay,
so just I’m so deplorable that I have to start so slow. Okay, I got it. I got it. But the interval training, why do you Why do you say that’s not as it sounds? Like? That’s an answer, but it’s not as efficient. I don’t understand what you mean. It’s a little bit harder on the body.
Oh, okay. Cuz like that. Yeah. So. So you’re talking about wear and tear and you’re using carbohydrates, the muscles are being put under more tension and pull. And you this is comes back to I see people doing this kind of training 52 weeks a year, okay. Okay. But no Olympic athlete would do that. So you there’s something called the law of diminishing returns, which, when you do high inter high intensity interval training, you’re actually working anaerobic or the anaerobic lactic system is basically what you’re going after, it takes about six weeks to max that system out. So anything beyond that you’re not getting as many gains, I mean, you need to put in more work to get even less gains. So you need to go back and train something else for a while to help build up that system. And then away you go, again.
Because they complement each other building up, the aerobic system helps the anaerobic system clear out and flush out the lactate and all that
kind of stuff, right? So it gets can’t, you just can’t end and it’s the wear and tear on the body to do that all year long. Like you’re going to something’s going to happen. you’re offering to that.
Yeah, well, someone like me, I’m not doing that every
day or whatever, but not even. But even if you you know, at whatever level you are compared to, you know, some of us operating at a higher level, you can’t push us You can’t operate in sixth gear every single day for you know, three months, he’s trying to say you’re a higher level
than me. No, I’m saying
no one can like you can’t you need these you need to you need to take time, all you need to step back, you need to take the time off to let your body truly recover. And it’s not just the muscles, it’s like you said it’s the nervous system. And everything is
perfect. I do that in Croatia every year. So I do nothing but drink wine, and espresso and lie on the beach for like a month. It’s perfect. And my body does feel great. I feel very flexible and relaxed.
We might need to do that a little bit more often. Yeah,
this is great. I like this advice.
Is that something you see commonly with athletes is overtraining. Yes. Yeah. That’s like one of the most common because is it? It’s just it’s an addiction doesn’t it become like you feel like mentally like, if you’re not doing that or more, you’re not progressing?
Does that would that make sense? Like we’re trying to apply. So we talked about if you want to be a good business person you put in time, and it may be a 17, eight hour day, we’re applying this to conditioning and training. And you can’t do that. And that’s where so we’re just taking that philosophy and putting it into your physical body and your body can handle it, it’s going to go at some time. And what I’ll typically see is, in the case of somebody working out with you start to stop working out this is when a lot of these things start to show up because they were you were getting damaged while you’re exercising. But you’re so you’re compensating so well that you don’t know you’re damaging anything. And I’ll have elite athletes come in and like, I hurt my shoulder. But I haven’t been training for like six months. I don’t know why it’s sore, they go get imaging and they have a tear. They haven’t been training in six months where the tear come from. So basically, you’re if you keep training, like 100% all the time, you’re going to get all this all these little things happening, but you’re not going to see it, you’re going to get degeneration the joints, you’re not going to see it. So that’s why we advise taking the rest so that you can allow them to catch up and the more fatigue you have your body, it’s injured. And so the joints start banging into each other. And then the tears happen and this is all going to show up later on. So the whole idea behind you training and new training is to maintain your health and your independence as you age. Yeah. Because you guys aren’t training for anything in particular. So yes, it’s fine. You get a good endorphin release when you train hard and everybody loves that endorphin release. But you just something is probably happening. And it’s good. You’re going to get it at some point. I know Yeah,
I don’t for myself, like I’ll get worn down and then I end up. I used to overtrained 100% I used overtrained because I was regular weariness. I still stinky overtrained. I might a little bit to take more times off. Yeah, but but I pull back a lot more than I used to, like I used to overtraining used to be regularly injured. Whereas now I’m not like I haven’t been injured. But But I also feel times like right now my quads for the last few weeks, like I haven’t been able to get the loosen up properly. Which then is you know, get a little bit of knee pain because of it. And I’m like, man, I got it. So I’ve been trying to pull back or be kind of more selective, like I didn’t do a really hard workout this week that was heavy on the quads, cuz I’m like, No, I just know that right now. This is not the time for me to push it at that that type of thing. So I am more selective over the years before I just would have done it. And then my I would have liked my knee would have been really stiff after you know, I didn’t even understand before that the quad. tightness in the quads were what caused me pain. Like I’m like, What do you mean knee pain is from knee pain, right? But yeah, I saw I definitely used to overtrained for sure because I just thought more was better. Like to your point like I didn’t realize what you’re okay, so so we have
a you know, we have a bunch of friends that we’re trying to convince to come and work out a little bit just for their own fitness and health. So I love the way you summarize eating because you said just eat clean, like fruits and vegetables and some protein like it’s pretty basic, right? So when it comes to fitness, then do you have a similar answer of like, hey, look, if you’re just kind of trying to get healthy, what what would be a good approach to working out? If you’ve never worked out before? Haven’t in many years?
So I think I think we’ll just do two things. One, if you want to be healthy, you wouldn’t necessarily be actually be in a gym. So you would be hiking got it. Okay, go those types of things. But in the gym setting, if you are going to do it, how do you how are you going to be as healthy as you can be in a gym setting would be to vary things up all the time. And you do not. And I think this is nobody’s going to like this. You do not need to get sore. You don’t have to feel pain. You don’t need to be sore for two or three days, it doesn’t mean that you worked out better. Like how
hard I worked out I can barely walk
is when I can remember us doing squats. Getting ready for bodybuilding, we would do squats, we would step up on a bench and just step off. And if we could still control ourselves from not crashing to the floor, we did another set. So I’ve been
pretty serious level. Yes.
So I’ve been there. But the whole point is, if you are sore, that is actually muscle damage, and it takes longer to recover from that kind of stuff. You can make gains without being sore, all you need is a stimulus. And the debate becomes what is the stimulus, the stimulus is just basically doing something you haven’t really done before. So if I come in and do a 20 pound dumbbell curl for six reps, then the next time I might come in and do seven reps. That’s it. That’s my new stimulus and you will make gains and you will recover faster to get ready for your next workout. You don’t need to go until you can’t lift the weight.
Is that a relatively new science? Like why so the why was the training to fail, you’re so popular and maybe still is popping in about body belly words. I’m not in anymore, so I don’t really know. But like that, because that was basically like, so widespread through bodybuilding was trained to failure, right?
Yeah. So that come it does come from research. But now you’re talking about being in a lab where all you’re doing is the exercise. So the research was showing that if you if you train to failure, and you compared it to not training to failure, training to failure, how to a little bit better results, and we call that statistically significant. So what ends up happening is when I say the word significant, people start writing articles saying that there’s a significant difference between training to failure, not training to failure. The problem becomes, we do way more things in the course of a day. Or if you’re an athlete, you still have your practices to do so if you’re training to fail, you’re creating all kinds of damage. And your coaches are going to be really happy when you show up to practice and you know, like
you’re trying to escape. our
knees are sore, my hips are tight. Sorry, I’m gonna have to take this one off. Yeah, doesn’t work. No. So there is no difference between training to failure, not training to failure isn’t very much different. And some research shows that being identical, but I would always pick not training to failure,
because there’s benefits associated with that versus the
other one, because I’m thinking more long term because the closer you get to failure, the more fatigue is being developed, the more fatigue is being developed, your technique is starting to change technique leads to injury, technique, failure leads to injury.
So your your clinic, what do you guys do it? Because I mean, is it mainly chiropractic like your main focus now is a chiropractic focus. What really interested me it was was all this other stuff, because I hadn’t spoken to sports scientists, you know, about different things before I find it really interesting. What do you like, what are you guys focus on there?
So I so with my wife, we own two clinics there, and they’re both a little bit different. Okay, the one that’s in Toronto, which is our bigger clinic, the patient base is not really athletic. So I focus more on lifestyle at our clinic. So you’re trying to get people moving your healing their back pain, their shoulder pain. And we do have a little gym in that area where we try and get chronic pain patients to get moving
is a lot of that because people haven’t done certain things like like, yes. I couldn’t sit in a squat before I’ll never forget, like I you know, I couldn’t squat below parallel very well. When I was born, I was bodybuilding. And when my first daughter was born, I started playing on the kitchen floor, she would just sit in the squat position. And she played like that for whatever, 10 minutes. I was like, Oh, my God, this is like a natural human position that I actually can’t get into it comfortably. And then I had to focus on being able to do that. Is that Jen? Like? That’s where all that stuff comes from? For a lot of people.
Yep. So and you should be able keep that range of motion as you as you get older, but we typically lose because we don’t use it right? Yeah.
So there’s chairs with the problem? Yeah.
So that’s kind of so what we’re just trying to do is get people to move, get rid of their pain here in Oakville, I get to come back to my roots a little bit. And I do both. So I’ll treat injuries. But I also spend a lot of time on sports science. And that’s where I’ll do work. So I’m in a cheerleading facility. And I have accelerometers, force plates, laser systems all set up there to use to test people and train and determine where they’re at.
I want to come for test. Yeah. I don’t know what I want to be tested and tested. Does that mean? Can I come to you for saying testing for something that? I don’t know what I want?
Yeah, so what I’ll do the same. I don’t know what I want you to test me.
So I’ll typically look at imbalances more than anything else. So we have equipment setup to measure, what’s the strength of your left leg compared to your right leg from a power standpoint? And you’re not necessarily we always talk about it in terms of in if you have a greater difference between one side and the other, that increases your risk of injury. I tend to it’s hard to prove that I tend to go more towards if you have one leg weaker than the other you’re actually interfering with your performance.
I definitely that.
That’s your that’s your running problem for sure. You might
have other problems. No, no, no, no, that’s definitely exists. I have a lot of problems.
We all do.
Okay, cool. No, that’s, that’s so so
at that clinic in Oakville, like people walk in? And what is it typically athletes then?
So it’s mostly cheerleaders. Okay, because there’s like 300 cheerleaders out clinic around that facility. Okay, um, I just finished doing an interview this morning. For my for the cheer district company, where I had an interview from one of the top names in the in the cheerleading industry in the world. And we kind of went through all the sports science behind that. And I talked about a lot of what we’re talking about injuries, fatigue training, how to design a
design a practice. Well, I think once you understand if it’s someone like you explaining that, hey, look, you don’t have to burn yourself out and push to the limits, then it becomes a strategic advantage. And then I think an A type personality athlete will take a break. Because I think once they’ve been convinced this is going to get you further ahead. By taking some time off. That’s what we’re trying to convey. I think then the obsessive a type person is like, Okay, if but I think it has to come from a source like yourself that is very believable backing up with science, because otherwise, it doesn’t feel right. It’s kind of like in business, because you were using that analogy earlier. I think both Nick and I know that it is a big fallacy to think that you can just do 18 hour days and you’re going to win it business. No way. That’s the path to absolute turn. Oh, yeah. So I think it’s it applies in business that applies in life, it applies in fitness, and everything. But I think we need to hear it from you. You know, because we’re all just kind of guessing. And it doesn’t quite feel right. It feels better to burn.
I think I think the best example I can probably give is taking you back to when I had my fitness facility and I was training, power lifters. And so you have the people in the gym that think they know everything, and they try and train as hard as they can. And then here we are training power lifters, and the guy will come over to me He’s like, I don’t think I’ve ever seen this guy train to failure. He doesn’t seem to be getting the burn or the pump. And he’s training every week and he’s setting new records every month. And I’m like, yeah, there’s there is a strategy to this. You don’t need to train as hard as you can all the time. There’s a science behind it. And it’s all about staying healthy. The healthier you are, the more you can train, the more frequent you can train. And that’s all we did. Like very rarely did we train to failure. And it was more for the psychological aspect of getting ready for competition. You know, it’s interesting before you got here Scott was telling me that
with a cheerleading you said yeah, cheerleading is basically like Olympic weightlifting and gymnastics combined. Totally man which raised the full respect no yeah, I never thought about he was like just like when you’re lifting like like if you’re lifting a girl let’s say right then the the same principles apply you want to kind of keep it as a straight up and down you want to lock out your elbows overhead like all this type of stuff that I’m like, Oh my god, it just never really piece that together that that was like littered with humans. Yeah,
I just I saw hard to hold any handles on the humans?
oak So I walked into a friends competition, River Oaks in the community center there, I was amazed that these girls and guys flying in the air spinning. It’s totally astonishing. I had no idea that was happening around here. Yeah, so
I’ve kind of I’ve taken it upon myself to try and make that sport kind of come into the mainstream with all other sports and take it the athletes need to take it seriously. The coaches need to take it seriously. And they do. But they’re still not training as if their athletes.
We have their training like their cheerleaders and not pure athletes which they are pure athlete. Why are you taking a special interest you have a daughter and cheer or something.
I was a cheerleader. Oh god, oh, guys, we’re going to come up with this man,
body, but she went from bodybuilding to cheerleading
both both extreme worlds the other way. So cheerleading got me into bodybuilding because you had to work out I was at the University of Western Ontario at the time, I think it’s Western University now. But one of the things we had to do was mandatory that we had to work out and I was noticing that we we do genetics
to then if you were in backyard,
backyard gymnastics. So there’s no
bro coaching happening in there and
I wanted to make this team so I better be able to flip around a little bit.
When we go to the gym, a bunch of us go to the gym and then we have our bro coaching session afterwards. And Dan the trainer just walks up because he’s like, I don’t want not I’m do not want to associate myself with you guys right now. And we like get angry. You know, you gotta get angry. If you’re gonna do a bar muscle up, you’re gonna have to get anger than that, you know. And sometimes it’s just amazing with pure emotion, what you can do, but then you can also wreck your shoulder and have all kinds of injuries but you got on top of the bar, and we can cheer
it still needs to be fun.
Cool for anyone looking to reach out to you. What’s the best way is just the clinic website. So
probably the clinic website. So it’s
up to health clinic com opt in our PT i o healthy I health clinic calm. Yep. Cool. Thank you very much for doing this. This was this was super interesting. And we got it kind of got off topic a little bit. I was going to go, we have to come live. We’ll have to have you back to talk about the rowing team and all those other things as well. But thanks. No,
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